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Did the Sheep Eat Halo-halo during Christmas?

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 27, 2008

Did the Sheep Eat Halo-halo during Christmas? The Climate in Bethlehem during December by Jubernson Alabastro, CFD-Davao

Link: http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/12/did-sheep-eat-halo-halo-during.html


Bethlehem’s Field of Flowers during December
One pastor said that it is impossible for Christ to be born on December 25 or any day of December because it is winter and hence, there is snow. According to the gospel account in Luke 2:8, there were shepherds out in the field to keep watch over their flock; if that is the case, added this fourth magi who was probably left out by his companions who paid tribute and offered gifts to the Messiah (Matthew 2:11), it is impossible for Christ to be born on December because “SHEEP DO NOT EAT HALO-HALO! Some Protestant Pastors further claim that it is too cold for shepherds to be out that night herding their sheep. The only time when Shepherds do that, they say, is during lambing. How should Catholics answer these charges?

It is very true that December is winter time in Bethlehem or in Jerusalem. In fact, John 10:22 says that it was winter during the Feast of Dedication or Feast of the Light. The said feast is celebrated by the Jews during the 25th day of Chislev or December (1 Macc. 5:52); it marks the cleansing of the temple under the Maccabees and re-dedicating it to God and hence, it coincides with Christmas. But the problem with our Protestant friends is that, when they read that it was winter, they immediately concluded that the place must have been covered with snow! In logic, this fallacy is called the Confusion of the Absolute and Qualified Statement, that is, using a principle that is restricted in its applicability as though it were absolutely universal principle, and thus applying it to cases for which it was not intended [1] In America for example, though it is winter time during December, there are places which do not experience snow such as California. The same thing can be said about Bethlehem that although it is winter and cold, there is no snow covering the area during December. According to the International Station Meteorological Climate Summary (ISMCS,) the average temperature in Bethlehem is 49 Fahrenheit[2]. The average low i.e. during nighttime is 43 Fahrenheit[3] Therefore it is a mild winter, and not an icy winter, that occurs in Bethlehem during the month of December; so to our dearly separated brethren, the HALO-HALO argument is now a melted argument!

Christmas coincides with the Feast of Dedication or the Feast of the light of the Jewish people and for good reason: This Jewish feast has found new meaning with the birth of the Messiah as He is the True light of the world who overcomes the darkest period of man (John 1:4-7, 9 – Compare to Psalm 36:9; John 12:46; Wis 7:26; Heb. 1:3,) just as Judas Maccabees came to save the Jews during the darkest day of the year (Chislev or December 25) at the darkest time of Jewish history (1 Macc 4.) Unfortunately there are those who do not appreciate the significance of this important celebration which marks the coming of the light into our lives; the reason being as what St. John perfectly described in his epistle, “And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed. (John 3:19-20)
Too cold for shepherds to go out during December night?

The issue that it is too cold for shepherds to go out during December night is partially addressed above. The temperature, as mentioned earlier, is tolerable for shepherds to withstand the coldness of the night. Moreover, Harper’s Encyclopedia of Bible Life [(C) 1971, pg. 7] explains that what is unique about Israel’s weather is that, winter season is NOT the “dead” season when plants die because of low temperature. On the contrary, it is the time of year when dormant vegetations are revived after the “dead” season of summer by the intermittent winter rains starting in mid-October and ending in mid-March. This being the case, and considering that the surrounding land just went through the dry season, depriving the sheep of sufficient food for months, it is very likely and logical that the shepherds would let their sheep out in the field during this season of revived vegetation so as to feed their flock.
Furthermore whether it is dry or winter season is irrelevant because the Shepherd’s job continue nevertheless, even during cold and sleepless nights:
Gen 31:40 How often the scorching heat ravaged me by day, and the frost by night, while sleep fled from my eyes!
The reason why shepherds must remain on guard regardless of the season is because of the dangers that his sheep and goats might encounter:
1 Sam. 17:34-35 Then David told Saul: Your servant used to tend his father’s sheep, and whenever a lion or bear came to carry off a sheep from the flock, (35) I would go after it and attack it and rescue the prey from its mouth. If it attacked me, I would seize it by the jaw, strike it, and kill it.
Isaiah 31:4 Thus says the LORD to me: As a lion or a lion cub growling over its prey, With a band of shepherds assembled against it, Is neither frightened by their shouts nor disturbed by their noise, So shall the LORD of hosts come down to wage war upon the mountain and hill of Zion.
Jeremiah 5:6 Therefore lions from the forest slay them, wolves of the desert ravage them, Leopards keep watch round their cities: all who come out are torn to pieces For their many crimes and their numerous rebellions.
Amos 3:12 Thus says the LORD: As the shepherd snatches from the mouth of the lion a pair of legs or the tip of an ear of his sheep, So the Israelites who dwell in Samaria shall escape with the corner of a couch or a piece of a cot.
Aside from these dangers, shepherds must constantly guide their sheep because they do not possess the same instinct that other animals have. For example:
Sheep are helpless and have to be led to their food by their shepherd. The love of God for His people is likened to a shepherd’s love for his flock.
Psalm 23:1-2 A psalm of David. I The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack. (2) In green pastures you let me graze; to safe waters you lead me;
Numbes 27:17 who shall act as their leader in all things, to guide them in all their actions; that the LORD’S community may not be like sheep without a shepherd. (Compare with John 10)
Sheep do not also know their way home and must be led again by the shepherds.
Ezekiel 34:6-8 and wandered over all the mountains and high hills; my sheep were scattered over the whole earth, with no one to look after them or to search for them. (7) Therefore, shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: (8) As I live, says the Lord GOD, because my sheep have been given over to pillage, and because my sheep have become food for every wild beast, for lack of a shepherd; because my shepherds did not look after my sheep, but pastured themselves and did not pasture my sheep;
Ezekiel 34:12 As a shepherd tends his flock when he finds himself among his scattered sheep, so will I tend my sheep. I will rescue them from every place where they were scattered when it was cloudy and dark.
These people who argue that it is too cold for shepherds going out during the night of December and that the watching of flocks at nighttime is done only during lambing, are not true “Pastors” in the biblical sense of the word! Otherwise they would have known the responsibility required of a true shepherd! These people are hired men who will leave the sheep behind once a wolf comes in (John 10:12-13; Isaiah 56:10-11; Ezek. 34:8,10; Zec. 11:15,17)
Not Celebrating Christmas, totally new?
Is the practice of not celebrating Christmas totally new? There is an interesting meaning I found out why St. John wrote “winter” in John 10:22 which might explain the “dissenting opinion” in celebrating Christmas. The following were taken from The Great commentary of Cornelius à Lapide on John 10:22:
“St. Cyril said, “winter” was said in order to give the reason why Jesus walked in the Porch (John 10:23), so as to be under cover or stay away from the cold. Mystically there is here signified (says the Gloss) the coldness of the Jews, who draw not near to the fire, i.e. who believe not in Christ.
St.Augustine says, “The Jews were cold in charity and love, and were burning with eagerness to do hurt; they approached Him not as followers, but pressed on Him as persecutors.” “Do thou also,” says Theophylact, “while it is winter, that is while this present life is shaken with the whirlwinds of iniquity, keep the spiritual dedication feast, by daily renewing thyself, and by ordering the ascensions of thy heart.” Christ will be present to thee in Solomon’s Porch, making for thee a peaceable resting-place.
The Halo-halo argument reflects the coldness of hearts that some of our Protestant brethrens have in not welcoming our Savior into the world and their burning desire to discredit the bride of Christ, the Catholic Church. It is the same attitude shown by the Jews during the Feast of Dedication. It is the same experience that Jesus underwent in looking for a place to stay during his birth. In other words, it is the same cold December breeze that greeted our Lord in those two events! Yes my dear brethren, rejecting Christmas is not totally a new thing! To borrow one of our brethren’s favorite expressions, it is in fact, “WRITTEN!’ It is written that THE FIRST CHRISTMAS WAS A REJECTION OF CHRISTMAS!
Luke 2:7 and she gave birth to her firstborn son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
Matthew 2:16 When Herod realized that he had been deceived by the magi, he became furious. He ordered the massacre of all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had ascertained from the magi. May we not reject our Lord in His very special day, the way he was rejected at his first coming. May we welcome the light into our hearts so that we too might walk in the light (John 12:35) and become the light of the world (Matthew 5:14). As we walk in the light, may the Holy Spirit dwell into our body, His temple, and cleanse it from the different pagan gods of pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth just as Judas Maccabees cleansed the Jewish temple of its pagan gods.
MAY ALL OF YOU HAVE A BLESSED MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR! GOD LOVES YOU!
References:
Christmas in the Spring? – A look at a few of the Protestant arguments against Christ being born in December.
Harper’s Encyclopedia of Bible Life (C) 1971

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
All scriptural citations are from the New American Bible (C) 1987
The Great Commentary of Cornelius Lapide
Suggested Readings:

THE DATE OF CHRIST’S BIRTH Critical Examination by Brother Bruno Bonnet-Eymard
Choosing the Date of Christmas:Why is Christmas Celebrated on December 25? By David Bennett
All About Christmas
Calculating Christmas
THE ANTICHRIST AT THE MANGER By T.L.FRAZIER
The Idea of Christ Being Born on a “Midnight Clear” Has A “Apocrypha” Connection.
Is God Against Christmas? By Raymond L. Cox

ADDENDUM by Fr. Abe Arganiosa, CRS

It is also to be noted that December is perfect for Shepherds to guard their sheep because it is lambing season. And the Jewish shepherds were and still are very careful to guard their sheep during the lambing season because they have make it sure that lambs are born without defects and that injury to the ewes must be avoided. Otherwise, they will no longer be pleasing to God for Sacrifices and for Passover Meals.

Here comes the perfect harmony between Nature and the Divine Plan of God and the Liturgy of the Church: JESUS CHRIST — THE LAMB OF GOD — WAS BORN IN THE CLIMAX OF THE LAMBING SEASON.

The claims of Iglesia ni Cristo [INC] pastors and that of Eliseo Soriano that it is impossible for Jesus to be born in December because during this Season the Field of Bethlehem is covered with snow is actually based on Practical Ignorance of the Geography and Climate of the Holy Land. For further evidence here are the links for You Tube Videos showing Bethlehem during Christmas Season from Bro. Jub Alabastro:

Christmas Celebrations in Bethlehem, December 24 2007 —

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5EKV6j7uFUWatch

and again,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Y3r1vUTEA&feature=related

[1] Introduction to Logic by Fr. Andrew Bachhuber S.J. 1957 edition p. 184

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CHRISTMAS APOLOGETICS: THE BIBLICAL FOUNDATION FOR DECEMBER 25 AS THE BIRTH OF OUR LORD! Part 1 The Desire of All Nations

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 27, 2008

CHRISTMAS APOLOGETICS: THE BIBLICAL FOUNDATION FOR DECEMBER 25 AS THE BIRTH OF OUR LORD! Part 1 The Desire of All Nations

By: Fr. Fr. Abe Arganiosa, CRS

Link: http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/12/christmas-apologetics-biblical.html

* This argument for the Biblical Foundation of December 25 based on the Prophecy of Haggai actually came from Bro. Mars Llasos, one of the premier Catholic Apologists in the Philippines. Further details and analysis have been added by Fr. Abe, CRS to support his interpretation of the Biblical text of the Prophet Haggai which is actually universally acclaimed in the liturgical life of both Catholics and Protestants. Our gratitude to our beloved and much admired Atty. Marwil Llasos.

The Adoration of the Magi by Fra Angelico

* Please bear in mind that the date Dec. 25 is not considered by the Catholic Church as the exact date of the Birth of the Messiah. We don’t know exactly the date of the Lord’s Birth. However, the Catholic Church has chosen Dec. 25-January 6 as the celebration of the Nativity of the Lord not because of the pagan festival honoring the Sun-God but because of Biblical and Historical Reasons testified by the early Christian authors and documents. Here are some of those reasons:

The Prophecy of the Prophet Haggai
Haggai 2:7-10 (King James Version)

7And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts. 8The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts. 9The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts. 10In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying,

Take note that Haggai 2:7 prophesied that “The desire of all nations will come”. Who is the desire of all nations? THE MESSIAH. This is undoubtedly a Messianic prophecy. And both Protestants and Catholics recognize this. In fact, Protestants immortalized this belief in their classic Christmas songs composed by Charles Wesley – the co-founder of Methodist Church. One of those citations is found in the lyrics of HARK! THE HERALD ANGELS SING:

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing” is a Christmas hymn or carol written by Charles Wesley, the brother of John Wesley and his co-founder of Methodist Church and, by implication, all of the many denominations that flowed out of the revival that was Methodism.

This great hymn of the Faith first appeared in a work entitled Hymns and Sacred Poems in 1739. The original opening couplet was “Hark! how all the welkin rings / Glory to the King of Kings”. The version known today is the result of alterations by various hands, most notably George Whitfield, Wesley’s co-worker, who changed the opening couplet to the familiar one we know today. [Source: Wikipedia]

Hark! The herald angels sing,

“Glory to the newborn King;

Peace on earth, and mercy mild,

God and sinners reconciled!”

Joyful, all ye nations rise,

Join the triumph of the skies;

With th’angelic host proclaim,

“Christ is born in Bethlehem!”

Refrain

Hark! The herald angels sing,

“Glory to the newborn King!”

Christ, by highest Heav’n adored;

Christ the everlasting Lord;

Late in time, behold Him come,

Offspring of a virgin’s womb.

Veiled in flesh the Godhead see;

Hail th’incarnate Deity,

Pleased with us in flesh to dwell,

Jesus our Emmanuel.

Refrain

Hail the heav’nly Prince of Peace!

Hail the Sun of Righteousness!

Light and life to all He brings,

Ris’n with healing in His wings.

Mild He lays His glory by,

Born that man no more may die.

Born to raise the sons of earth,

Born to give them second birth.

Refrain

Come, Desire of nations, come,

Fix in us Thy humble home;

Rise, the woman’s conqu’ring Seed,

Bruise in us the serpent’s head.

Now display Thy saving power,

Ruined nature now restore;

Now in mystic union join

Thine to ours, and ours to Thine.

Refrain

Adam’s likeness, Lord, efface,

Stamp Thine image in its place:

Second Adam from above,

Reinstate us in Thy love.

Let us Thee, though lost, regain,Thee,

the Life, the inner man:

O, to all Thyself impart,

Formed in each believing heart.

Refrain

Fr. Abe and Bro. Franz answering questions about Christmas in The Splendor of the Church TV program
It is very obvious that John Wesley cited the prophecy of the Prophet Haggai almost verbatim and at the same time admitted that Jesus is the Seed of the Woman referred to by God the Father in Genesis 3:15. Thus, the head of Methodist Church accepted the Catholic position that the Proto-Evangelion [Gen 3:15] is actually a prophecy referring to Jesus [The Woman’s Seed], Mary [The Woman], Satan [The Serpent] and Sin [The Serpent’s Seed].

Another Christmas Hymn of Charles Wesley:

Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus

Text: Charles Wesley, 1707-1788
Music: Rowland H. Pritchard;
harm. from The English Hymnal
Tune: HYFRYDOL, Meter: 87.87 D

1. Come, thou long expected Jesus,
born to set thy people free;
from our fears and sins release us,
let us find our rest in thee.
Israel’s strength and consolation,
hope of all the earth thou art;
dear desire of every nation,
joy of every longing heart.
2. Born thy people to deliver,
born a child and yet a King,
born to reign in us forever,
now thy gracious kingdom bring.
By thine own eternal spirit
rule in all our hearts alone;
by thine all sufficient merit,
raise us to thy glorious throne
· Note 1: The English speaking Roman Catholics are also singing this song in their Liturgical Prayers. This is contained in the Volume 1 [ADVENT SEASON] of the Roman Breviary in English for priests, religious and the consecrated persons.
· Note 2: The Roman Catholics are also expressing the same thoughts in their liturgical prayers. For instance, the much beloved Hymn for Advent Liturgy: O COME, O COME EMMANUEL. This Hymn is written originally in Latin [12th century] but the English translation used by both Lutherans and English speaking Catholics is the one done by John Neal, published in 1854. It also recognizes Jesus = The Emmanuel as “The Desire of the Nations”. Lutherans testify to this belief in their classic and internationally famous Hymnal:

The favourite O Come, O Come Emmanuel carol was originally written in Latin text in the 12th Century. The author of the words and composer to the music of O Come, O Come Emmanuel is unknown. It is, however believed that the melody was of French origin and added to the text a hundred years later. The Latin was translated into English by John Mason Neale in 1851.
Music: Veni Em­man­u­el, from a 15th Cen­tu­ry pro­cess­ion­al of French Fran­cis­can nuns (the set­ting for the fu­ner­al hymn Libera me); ar­ranged by Thom­as Hel­more in the Hymnal Not­ed, Part II (Lon­don: 1856).
The lyrics echo a num­ber of pro­phet­ic themes. The ti­tle comes from the well known Isai­ah 7:14: “Be­hold, a vir­gin shall con­ceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Im­man­u­el.” Im­man­u­el is He­brew for “God with us.” The “Rod of Jesse” refers to Isai­ah 11:1: “There shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jes­se”; Jesse was the fa­ther of Da­vid, se­cond king of Is­ra­el. “Day-Spring” comes from Za­cha­ri­as, fa­ther of John the Bap­tist, in Luke 1:78: “The day­spring from on high has vis­it­ed us.” “Thou Key of Da­vid” is in Isai­ah 22:22: “The key of the house of Da­vid will I lay up­on his shoul­der,” which in turn re­fers to Isai­ah 9:6 “The gov­ern­ment shall be up­on His shoul­der.” The ‘Desire of the Nations’ of course is Haggai 2:7
O, Come, O, Come Emmanuel
Translated: John Mason Neale, 1818-66
O, come, O, come, Emmanuel,
And ransom captive Israel,
That mourns in lonely exile here
Until the Son of God appear.
Refrain:
Rejoice! Rejoice! O Israel,
to thee shall come Emmanuel

O, come, our Wisdom from on high,
Who ordered all things mightily;
To us the path of knowledge show,
and teach us in her ways to go. [Refrain]
O, come, O, come, our Lord of might,
Who to your tribes on Sinai’s height
In ancient times gave holy law,
In cloud and majesty and awe. [Refrain]

O, come O Rod of Jesse’s stem,
From ev’ry foe deliver them
That trust your mighty pow’r to save;
Bring them in vict’ry through the grave. [Refrain]
O, come, O Key of David, come,
And open wide our heav’nly home;
Make safe the way that leads on high,
And close the path to misery. [Refrain]
O, come, our Dayspring from on high,
And cheer us by your drawing nigh,
Disperse the gloomy clouds of night,
And death’s dark shadows put to flight. [Refrain]
O, come, Desire of nations, bind
In one the hearts of all mankind;
O, bid our sad divisions cease,
And be yourself our King of Peace. [Refrain]
Hymn # 31 from Lutheran Worship
Author: French Processional
Tune: Veni Emmanuel
1st Published in: 1854
Bro. Franz in Splendor of the Church
* Note 3: Another popular hymn which is purely Catholic in origin also expresses the belief that Jesus is ‘The Desire of the Nations’.

O Come, Divine Messiah!

Words: Abbé Simon J. Pellegrin, 1663-1745
English Translation of French Carol Venez Divin Messie
Translator: Sister Mary of St. Philip, SND

1. O come, divine Messiah!
The world in silence waits the day
When hope shall sing its triumph,
And sadness flee away.
2. Dear Savior haste;
Come, come to earth,
Dispel the night and show your face,
And bid us hail the dawn of grace.
3. O come, divine Messiah!
The world in silence waits the day
When hope shall sing its triumph,
And sadness flee away.
4. O Christ, whom nations sigh for,
Whom priest and prophet long foretold,
Come break the captive fetters;
Redeem the long-lost fold.
5. Dear Savior haste;
Come, come to earth,
Dispel the night and show your face,
And bid us hail the dawn of grace.
6. O come, divine Messiah!
The world in silence waits the day
When hope shall sing its triumph,
And sadness flee away.
7. You come in peace and meekness,
And lowly will your cradle be;
All clothed in human weakness
Shall we your Godhead see.
8. Dear Savior haste;
Come, come to earth,
Dispel the night and show your face,
And bid us hail the dawn of grace.
9. O come, divine Messiah!
The world in silence waits the day
When hope shall sing its triumph,
And sadness flee away.
This is a popular Advent hymn. It is often heard today in conservative and more traditional Catholic churches and in the Hymns for Advent in the volume 1 of the Christian Prayers or Breviary for Advent Season.

Haggai also wrote that God the Father promised that He will fill His House with Glory… That house is the Church as stated by St. Paul to Timothy [1 Timothy 3:15]. Thus, only the Catholic Church glories in the coming of the Messiah. We are the only one who joins the Angels, The Shepherds, The Magi and Mary with Joseph in having Blessed Happiness at the celebration of the Lord’s Birth. If there are Protestant groups doing so they only followed and imitated the Christmas celebrations of the Catholic Church. The Orthodox Christmas celebrations are actually Catholic Traditions since they were previously united to the See of Rome.
Haggai 2:8 God stresses that silver and gold belong to Him. So we honor the Lord by decorating the Church and our houses with silver bells and golden decors during the commemoration of the Lord’s Birth. It also corresponds to the fact that when Jesus was born gold was offered to him by the Wise Men [cf. Matthew 2:11].
Haggai 2:9 The glory of the Church is greater than the glory of Israel because the Church is Universal while Israel is but a single nation. And, Israel is the keeper of the Promise while the Church is the recepient of its Fulfillment.
The Nativity by El Greco

WHEN WILL THE DESIRE OF THE NATIONS COME?

Haggai 2:10 “In the four and 20th day of the ninth month” [Please bear in mind that the original Bible has no Chapters and Verses, they were such when the Council Fathers, the Bishops gathered in Nicaea in year 325 debated the celebration date for Christmas. So, the passage “In the 4 and 20th day of the ninth month” could be attached to Haggai 2:7-9 while “In the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord by Haggai” could be another sentence.]

Now The Jewish Calendar starts in the month of Nisan [March-April, cf. ‘Passover’ in “Feasts”, J.D. Douglas & Merrill C. Tenney, NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible. Grand Rapids Michigan: Zondervan Corporation, Philippine Ed., p. 201.]. From Nisan [March-April] the 9th month falls to our DECEMBER. So, following this prophecy the Messiah will come into the House of God on 24th of December. Thus, the First Celebration of Christmas starts at the Solemn High Mass on eve of December 24 midnight.

Bro. Franz and Prof. Elmer Valenzuela, who joined us during the Special Program for Christmas Apologetics in Splendor of the Church

WHY MIDNIGHT?

Because another Biblical prophecy states that the Word of God, the Logos will come on earth on MIDNIGHT.

Wisdom 18:14-15 “For when gentle silence enveloped all things, and NIGHT IS IN ITS SWIFTCOURSE WAS NOW HALF-SPENT, Your all-powerful WORD LEAPED FROM HEAVEN, FROM THE ROYAL THRONE, into the midst of the land that was doomed, a stern warrior.” [New Revised Standard Version, cf. Revised Standard Version and New American Bible]

In Filipino: “Payapa at tahimik ang lahat, NANGANGALAHATI NA ANG GABI…” [Magandang Balita Biblia]

This prophecy is accepted by Protestants because they adapted it in their prayers and worship as testified by their traditional song which is universally acclaimed:

It Came Upon A Midnight Clear!

It Came Upon a Midnight Clear was written by Edmund Hamilton Sears in 1849. The carol started life as a poem written by its author who was a minister living in Massachusetts at the time. The music for It Came Upon A Midnight Clear was composed by American musician Richard Storrs Willis in 1859 who was inspired by the words of the poem.

It came upon the midnight clear,
That glorious song of old,
From angels bending near the earth,
To touch their harps of gold:
“Peace on the earth, goodwill to men
From heavens all gracious King!
“The world in solemn stillness lay
To hear the angels sing.
Still through the cloven skies they come,
With peaceful wings unfurled;
And still their heavenly music floats
O’er all the weary world:
Above its sad and lowly plains
They bend on hovering wing,
And ever o’er its Babel sounds
The blessed angels sing.
O ye beneath life’s crushing load,
Whose forms are bending low,
Who toil along the climbing way
With painful steps and slow;
Look now, for glad and golden hours
Come swiftly on the wing;
Oh rest beside the weary road
And hear the angels sing.
For lo! the days are hastening on,
By prophets seen of old,
When with the ever-circling years
Shall come the time foretold,
When the new heaven and earth shall own
The Prince of Peace, their King,
And the whole world send back the song
Which now the angels sing.
For Jewish culture, evening belongs to another day already and for Roman and Modern culture, midnight starts a new day. So the Birth of the Messiah falls on Midnight of December 24-25.

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CHRISTMAS APOLOGETICS: Part 2 DECEMBER 25 Based on Judaeo-Christian Feast of Light, not on Pagan Worship of the Sol Invictus

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 27, 2008

CHRISTMAS APOLOGETICS: Part 2 DECEMBER 25 Based on Judaeo-Christian Feast of Light, not on Pagan Worship of the Sol Invictus

By: Fr. Fr. Abe Arganiosa, CRS

Link: http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/12/december-25-based-on-judaeo-christian.html

THE GOSPEL OF JOHN AND THE JEWISH FESTIVAL OF LIGHT

John 1:9 “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.”

Jesus is declared by early Christians, following the SACRED SCRIPTURES, as THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
Unknown to many, December 25 [which for the Jews starts in the evening of December 24 and continues for 8 days until January 1.] is the Feast of the KISLEV– THE JEWISH FESTIVAL OF LIGHT which originated from the Purification of the Temple during the time of Judas Maccabees who is a ‘type’ of Christ who came into this world to purify and sanctify us from sins. [cf. “Feast” in Merrill C. Tenney & Alexander Cruden, The Handy Bible Dictionary & Concordance. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Lampligher Books, Zondervan Publishing House, 1983. p. 55-56.]

Philippine Version of Christmas Lantern called ‘Parol’ which means ‘Light’ or ‘Guiding Light’ as in Parola.

The early Catholics were led by the Apostles who were Jews, thus they were affected by their Jewish customs of honoring God. The early Catholics found it appropriate to commemorate the Lord’s coming into the world in the Festival of Light wherein thousands of believers were joining in a solemn procession carrying candles and torches toward the Temple. The Bible clearly teaches that after the Ascension of the Lord the Apostles continued going into the Temple and worshipping there [Acts 3:1]. When the Temple was destroyed the Christians continued these lightings of candles in their homes, chapels and churches every December 24-25 to welcome the coming of the Messiah into their lives. Thus, the Jewish Festival of Light later became a Catholic Festival in honor of Jesus the Light of the World.

Christmas Candles glowing in the dark, manifesting Christ’s triumph over darkness and evil. God is the Light of Men.

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CHRISTMAS APOLOGETICS: Part 3 DECEMBER 25 Based On Calculation of the Jewish Temple Rota System in 1 Chronicle 24:7-19

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 27, 2008

CHRISTMAS APOLOGETICS: Part 3 DECEMBER 25 Based On Calculation of the Jewish Temple Rota System in 1 Chronicle 24:7-19

By: Fr. Fr. Abe Arganiosa, CRS

Link: http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/12/christmas-apologetics-part-3-december.html

The Angel Gabriel appeared before Zechariah while he was offering incense inside the Temple of God.

The Rota System of the Levites [24 Courses] found in 1 Chronicle 24:7-19

1 Chronicles 24:7-19 (King James Version)

7Now the first lot came forth to Jehoiarib, the second to Jedaiah,

8The third to Harim, the fourth to Seorim,

9The fifth to Malchijah, the sixth to Mijamin,

10The seventh to Hakkoz, the eighth to Abijah,

11The ninth to Jeshuah, the tenth to Shecaniah,

12The eleventh to Eliashib, the twelfth to Jakim,

13The thirteenth to Huppah, the fourteenth to Jeshebeab,

14The fifteenth to Bilgah, the sixteenth to Immer,

15The seventeenth to Hezir, the eighteenth to Aphses,

16The nineteenth to Pethahiah, the twentieth to Jehezekel,

17The one and twentieth to Jachin, the two and twentieth to Gamul,

18The three and twentieth to Delaiah, the four and twentieth to Maaziah.

19These were the orderings of them in their service to come into the house of the LORD, according to their manner, under Aaron their father, as the LORD God of Israel had commanded him.

· When the Temple was destroyed in 70A the priestly course of Jehoiarib was serving. So, both the early Catholics and the Jewish scholars were competent in calculating the date of the offering to Zechariah which the Gospel of Luke specified as belonging to the turn of Abijah clan.

· The Rota System was unbroken from Zechariah [Luke 1:9] to the Destruction of the Temple under General Titus, this calculation has The Course of Abijah [Zechariah’s turn] occurring in the First Week of October. That was the time when Elizabeth conceived St. John the Baptist. The Gospel of Luke [Luke 1:36] states that 6 months later the Angel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary in Nazareth. It was then that Mary conceived the Savior. So, it must fall on March if six month after October first – the month of March.

· It means that the Feast of Annunciation chosen by the Church is also correct [March 25] and 9 months after the Virgin gave birth to the Savior of the World. St. John Chrysostom [347-407] supported this calculation of the Temple Rota System when he wrote: “December, the eight of before the calends of January [December 25] or early January – The Birthday of the Unconquered.”

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Reply from Henry Arganda (Member PMCC 4thwatch) #2

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 27, 2008

Reply from Henry Arganda (Member PMCC 4thwatch) #2

Author : henry arganda (IP: 64.228.132.176 , bas2-windsor12-1088718000.dsl.bell.ca)
E-mail : henri_4w@yahoo.ca
URL    : http://www.pmcc4thwatch.com
Whois  : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=64.228.132.176
Comment:
yang pagkakamali nyo ng turo o doctrina ay nangangahulugan yan na nailigaw nyo ang tao sa tamang unawa para kayong mga fareseo sa mat.23:15 ginagawang mamamayan ng impeyerno ang tao..isa pang pagkakamali nyo na d2 pa lang ay masasabi natin na talagang mali kayo ay si pedro ang itinuturo nyong Batong kinasasaligan ng iglesia..well alam ko ginagamit nyo ang amplified bible..and i tell you peter(grk petros)a large piece of rock and upon this Rock petra i will build my church a large piece of rock like gibraltar..means ng gibraltar na syang petra (Christ) pagkalakilaki basahin mo ang gibraltar..kung anong klasing bato..#kaya si cristo ang pundasyun ng iglesia..si pedro ay isa lang sa mga haligi Gal 2:9.si pedro rin ang tanungin natin ns sya mismo ang nagsabi na sya (cristo)ang bato acts 4:10–11 o di ba marunong pa kayo kay pedro baka naman lumusot pa kayo na sabihin nyo na iba ang head of the corner or corner stone sa foundation para di ka na makalusot mr.paisones isa lang ang ibig
sabihin nyan#..Isa.28:16 “therefore thus saith the Lord God behold i lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,a precious corner stone..a sure foundation.o ano baka mali si Isais nyan tigas kasi ng ulo nyo sinabi na ni pedro eh na si Cristo ang pundasyun ayaw nyo pang tanggapin o sige sagutin mo yan#..o sige gamitin natin yung ginagamit nyo sa efeso..2:20..diba ginagamit nyo ito para patunayan na ang pundasyun ay apostol eh mali pa rin kayo ipalagay na natin na maga apostol ang pundasyun sa hindi paggamit ng ibang verse sa biglang basa ika nga mali pa rin kayo kasi sabi nyo si pedro lang ang pundasyun eh d2 mga apostol at mga propeta eh di marami nakuuu bakit paborito nyo si pedro lang mahina pundasyun nyo sa tao lang.#.ang tamang unawa d2 ay ang mga apostol at ang mga propeta nakatayo sa pundasyun na si jesucristo dahil sila nga haligi Gal 2:9 san ba nakatayo ang haligi ?sagutin mo?tanungin pa natin si pablo kung sino ang pusdasyun ng iglesia?1 cor3:11- for other foundation can no man lay
than that is laid which is laid,which is laid jesus Christ..patunayan mo mr.paisones na si pedro ang pundasyun ayon sa biblia kapag napatunayan mo yan tunay kayong iglesia ang romano kung hindi sorry to say kayong lahat pa impeyerno dahil giba ang inyong pundasyun ..pag nagiba ang pundasyun lahat ng aral nyo mali na yan..hihintayin ko ang sagot mo.

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-Replied by: Brod. G-one T. Paisones-

Sasagutin na naman po natin ang mga tira at pang aalipusta ni Brad Henry Arganda sa totoong Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo- ang Santa Iglesia Catolica. Tira ng tira si Henry Arganda sagot din tayo ng sagot sa mga tanong n’ya na may kahalong pang-aalipusta at fallacy.

Henry: “yang pagkakamali nyo ng turo o doctrina ay nangangahulugan yan na nailigaw nyo ang tao sa tamang unawa para kayong mga fareseo sa mat.23:15 ginagawang mamamayan ng impiyerno ang tao..isa pang pagkakamali nyo na dito pa lang ay masasabi natin na talagang mali kayo ay si pedro ang itinuturo nyong Batong kinasasaligan ng iglesia.”

G-one: “Eh tulad ng dati sasagutin natin si Brad Henry sa kanyang accusation sa ating mga Katoliko. Hindi po kami nag kamali Brad Henry Arganda, lahat ng mga allegation mo tungkol sa Santa Iglesia ay pawang walang ebidensya. Tulad ng nasabi ko na na “kung gusto mo ng isang maka Kristianong discussion hingil sa mga accusation mo laban sa aming mga Catholic Faith Defenders, kahit sa ano mang oras at kahit sa ano mang panahon ay handa po kaming ipagtangol ang Doctrina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica sa mga taong naninira at kumukotya sa Aral nito. I want to repeat again that we Catholic Faith Defenders are always ready in defending the Catholic Truth against its enemies in spiritual means.” Mag pasabi kalang kung saan dito sa Cebu at kalian ang gusto mo Henry Arganda.

Wala ngang logic ang mga reasoning mo Henry Arganda, tapos sasabihin mo na Impiyerno na kaming mga Catoliko. Conclusion mo pa lamang mali na; at ang mga argumento mo Henry ay pang elementary. Hindi ako naniniwala na lahat ng members ng 4th Watch PMCC ay katulad mo Henry Arganda. Wag mo namang dungisan ang religion mo; mag bigay ka naman ng respeto. Kung sa tingin mo mali ang doctrina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica at gusto mo itong wastuhin, bakit hindi ka makipag kita sa mga pari o di kaya’y sa aming mga Catholic Faith Defenders. Makipag dialogue ka sa amin sa maka Kristianong paraan. Hindi ka dapat basta-bastang tira ng tira na wala namang ebidensya. Eh para kang walang pinag-aralan d’yan kapatid. Kapatid na Henry alam kung mabuti kang tao, peru wag mo namang alipostahin ang paniniwala naming mga Katoliko dahil MALI ang paniniwala mo tungkol sa doctrina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica.

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Henry: “well alam ko ginagamit nyo ang amplified bible..and i tell you peter(grk petros)a large piece of rock and upon this Rock petra i will build my church a large piece of rock like gibraltar..means ng gibraltar na syang petra (Christ)pagkalakilaki basahin mo ang gibraltar..kung anong klasing bato”

G-one: “Nag mamarunong nga naman itong si Henry Arganda, akalain nga naman na ginamit daw naming ang Amplified Bible… Bro Henry hindi mo kasi alam ang contexts ng Matt. 16:18 sa Greek eh…

Narito ang mga punto natin:

1.) Sa Matt. 16 ang linguahe na isinulat dito ay ang Greek; pero ang linguahing sinalita o ginamit ng Panginoon Jesus at nang mga apostol ay ang Aramaic. Ang BarJonah ay salitang Aramaic na ibig sabihin ay “son of Jonah”. Majority po ng mga scholar ay naniniwala na ang madalas na wikain ng Panginoong Jesus ay ang Aramaic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_of_Jesus)

Kaya ang Matt. 16:18 na PETROS sa pagkasulat, peru ang ibinigkas talaga ng Panginoong Jesus ay KEPHA. Pariho lang po ang kahulugan ng PETROS (in Greek) sa KEPHA (in Aramaic) – “And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which, when translated, is Peter f ). John 1:42 (TNIV)” at nasa footnote ng Today’s New International Version (TNIV) na ang CEPHAS ay Aramaic.

Kaya sa Aramaic Bible ay walang pinag-iba ang Pedro sa Bato. Pawang KEPHA po ang Aramaic word ng Pedro at Bato dahil ang ibig sabihin ng Pedro ay Bato:

Therefore sa Matt. 16:18 ang Batong pinagtatayoan ng Iglesia ay si San Pedro.

2.) Sa Matt. 16:18 ang Greek construction na “tautee tee” which means on “this” rock; on “this same” rock; or on “this very” rock. “Tautee tee” is a demonstrative construction in Greek, pointing to Peter, the subject of the sentence as the very rock on which Jesus builds His Church. The demonstrative (“tautee”) generally refers to its closest antecedent (“Petros”).

Kahit na ang mga Protestant Scholar ay nagsasabing si Pedro ang bato sa Matt. 16:18:

16:18 This rock (taute to petra) The nearest referent (for the pronoun “this”) in the context of Jesus’ statement is Peter, forming a wordplay on his name, Petros. While it is possible Jesus is referring to Peter’s confession of him as the Christ (v. 16), it seems more likely that Jesus is describing Peter and the other disciples’ future ministry as the foundation of the future church (cf. Eph. 2:20). As representative spokesman for the disciples, Peter was the first to preach to both Jews (Acts 2) and Gentiles (Acts 10) the truth that salvation is through Jesus (cf. Acts 2:36; 10:36). [petra, houtos]

David K. Lowery, B.A, Th.M., Ph.D. is a Protestant scholar and Professor of New Testament Studies, at the Dallas Theological Seminary. : The Bible Knowledge Key Word Study, copyright 2002, printed Victor Publishing, edited by Darrell L. Bock, Pg. 79


Matthew’s narrative built on Mark’s but intensified the paradox of Peter’s actions by stressing the greatness of his confession before Jesus’ devastating rebuke (Matthew 16:13-23). When Simon Peter confessed, Jesus pronounced an exultant blessing on him, not because he had figured out Jesus’ identity himself, but because God had revealed it to him. Then Jesus spoke of Simon’s identity by using a play on words, “You are Peter (Greek, petros), and on this rock (petra) I will build my church and the powers of death will not prevail against it.” Simon had been called Peter since he was first introduced in Matthew, but now the meaning of that name was revealed. He was the one through whom God revealed Jesus’ identity, and thus, strengthened by that confession, he had become the rock on which Jesus would build his community. Further, Jesus promised to him “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” and whatever he bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in heaven. The words seem consciously enigmatic. Some Christians have taken them to mean that Peter was given authority over the Church as a whole; other Christians find this too broad an interpretation. In any event, Jesus’ words seem to foreshadow Peter’s role as a principal leader of the early Church.

Mysteries of the Bible, copyright 1988, printed by Reader’s Digest Association, Edited by Alma E. Guinness, pg.313


William Hendriksen
member of the Reformed Christian Church
Professor of New Testament Literature at Calvin Seminary

The meaning is, “You are Peter, that is Rock, and upon this rock, that is, on you, Peter I will build my church.” Our Lord, speaking Aramaic, probably said, “And I say to you, you are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my church.” Jesus, then, is promising Peter that he is going to build his church on him! I accept this view.

New Testament Commentary: Exposition of the Gospel According to Matthew
(Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1973), page 647
JPK page 14


Gerhard Maier
leading conservative evangelical Lutheran theologian

Nowadays a broad consensus has emerged which — in accordance with the words of the text — applies the promise to Peter as a person. On this point liberal (H. J. Holtzmann, E. Schweiger) and conservative (Cullmann, Flew) theologians agree, as well as representatives of Roman Catholic exegesis.

“The Church in the Gospel of Matthew: Hermeneutical Analysis of the Current Debate”
Biblical Interpretation and Church Text and Context
(Flemington Markets, NSW: Paternoster Press, 1984), page 58
JPK pages 16-17


Donald A. Carson III
Baptist and Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary
(two quotations from different works)

Although it is true that petros and petra can mean “stone” and “rock” respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover the underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (“you are kepha” and “on this kepha“), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock”. The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name.

The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke)
(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), page 368
JPK pages 17-18

The word Peter petros, meaning “rock” (Gk 4377), is masculine, and in Jesus’ follow-up statement he uses the feminine word petra (Gk 4376). On the basis of this change, many have attempted to avoid identifying Peter as the rock on which Jesus builds his church. Yet if it were not for Protestant reactions against extremes of Roman Catholic interpretations, it is doubtful whether many would have taken “rock” to be anything or anyone other than Peter.

Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary — New Testament, vol. 2
(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1994), page 78
JPK page 18


John Peter Lange
German Protestant scholar

The Saviour, no doubt, used in both clauses the Aramaic word kepha (hence the Greek Kephas applied to Simon, John i.42; comp. 1 Cor. i.12; iii.22; ix.5; Gal. ii.9), which means rock and is used both as a proper and a common noun…. The proper translation then would be: “Thou art Rock, and upon this rock”, etc.

Lange’s Commentary on the Holy Scriptures: The Gospel According to Matthew, vol. 8
(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1976), page 293
JPK page 19


John A. Broadus
Baptist author
(two quotations from the same work)

Many insist on the distinction between the two Greek words, thou art Petros and on this petra, holding that if the rock had meant Peter, either petros or petra would have been used both times, and that petros signifies a separate stone or fragment broken off, while petra is the massive rock. But this distinction is almost entirely confined to poetry, the common prose word instead of petros being lithos; nor is the distinction uniformly observed.

But the main answer here is that our Lord undoubtedly spoke Aramaic, which has no known means of making such a distinction [between feminine petra and masculine petros in Greek]. The Peshitta (Western Aramaic) renders, “Thou are kipho, and on this kipho“. The Eastern Aramaic, spoken in Palestine in the time of Christ, must necessarily have said in like manner, “Thou are kepha, and on this kepha“…. Beza called attention to the fact that it is so likewise in French: “Thou art Pierre, and on this pierre“; and Nicholson suggests that we could say, “Thou art Piers (old English for Peter), and on this pier.”

Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew
(Valley Forge, PA: Judson Press, 1886), pages 355-356
JPK page 20


J. Knox Chamblin
Presbyterian and New Testament Professor
Reformed Theological Seminary

By the words “this rock” Jesus means not himself, nor his teaching, nor God the Father, nor Peter’s confession, but Peter himself. The phrase is immediately preceded by a direct and emphatic reference to Peter. As Jesus identifies himself as the Builder, the rock on which he builds is most naturally understood as someone (or something) other than Jesus himself. The demonstrative this, whether denoting what is physically close to Jesus or what is literally close in Matthew, more naturally refers to Peter (v. 18) than to the more remote confession (v. 16). The link between the clauses of verse 18 is made yet stronger by the play on words, “You are Peter (Gk. Petros), and on this rock (Gk. petra) I will build my church”. As an apostle, Peter utters the confession of verse 16; as a confessor he receives the designation this rock from Jesus.

“Matthew”
Evangelical Commentary on the Bible
(Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1989), page 742
JPK page 30


Craig L. Blomberg
Baptist and Professor of New Testament
Denver Seminary

Acknowledging Jesus as The Christ illustrates the appropriateness of Simon’s nickname “Peter” (Petros = rock). This is not the first time Simon has been called Peter (cf. John 1:42), but it is certainly the most famous. Jesus’ declaration, “You are Peter”, parallels Peter’s confession, “You are the Christ”, as if to say, “Since you can tell me who I am, I will tell you who you are.” The expression “this rock” almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following “the Christ” in v. 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word “rock” (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification.

The New American Commentary: Matthew, vol. 22
(Nashville: Broadman, 1992), pages 251-252
JPK pages 31-32


David Hill
Presbyterian minister and Senior Lecturer in the Department of Biblical Studies
University of Sheffield, England

On this rock I will build my church: the word-play goes back to Aramaic tradition. It is on Peter himself, the confessor of his Messiahship, that Jesus will build the Church. The disciple becomes, as it were, the foundation stone of the community. Attempts to interpret the “rock” as something other than Peter in person (e.g., his faith, the truth revealed to him) are due to Protestant bias, and introduce to the statement a degree of subtlety which is highly unlikely.

“The Gospel of Matthew”
The New Century Bible Commentary
(London: Marshall, Morgan & Scott, 1972), page 261
JPK page 34


Suzanne de Dietrich
Presbyterian theologian

The play on words in verse 18 indicates the Aramaic origin of the passage. The new name contains a promise. “Simon”, the fluctuating, impulsive disciple, will, by the grace of God, be the “rock” on which God will build the new community.

The Layman’s Bible Commentary: Matthew, vol. 16
(Atlanta: John Knox Press, 1961), page 93
JPK page 34


Donald A. Hagner
Fuller Theological Seminary

The natural reading of the passage, despite the necessary shift from Petros to petra required by the word play in the Greek (but not the Aramaic, where the same word kepha occurs in both places), is that it is Peter who is the rock upon which the church is to be built…. The frequent attempts that have been made, largely in the past, to deny this in favor of the view that the confession itself is the rock… seem to be largely motivated by Protestant prejudice against a passage that is used by the Roman Catholics to justify the papacy.

Matthew 14-28
Word Biblical Commentary, vol. 33b
(Dallas: Word Books, 1995), page 470
JPK pages 36-37

Sa Matt. 16:18 ang phrase na “on this rock” ay reperido kay Pedro. Catholic believes that other apostles are also foundation of the church and Christ Himself is the chief cornerstone (Efe. 2:20) but in Matt. 16:18 the only reference on the phrase “on this rock” is for Saint Peter.

3.) Matt. 16:18-19 This is a three-fold blessing of Peter – you are blessed, you are the rock on which I will build my Church, and you will receive the keys to the kingdom of heaven (not you are blessed for receiving Revelation, but you are still an insignificant little pebble, and yet I am going to give you the keys to the kingdom). (http://www.scripturecatholic.com)

Tungkol naman sa sinabi ni Bro Henry na ginamit natin ang amplified Bible; isa po itong haka-haka o isang panghuhula ni Henry Arganda. But im sorry Mr. Arganda Henry mali po ang panghuhula ninyo. Hindi po kami gumamit ng Amplified Bible para lang mapatunayan ko na si San Pedro ang Bato na pinag-uusapan sa Matt. 16:18 dahil wala pa po sa kamay ko ang ganong uri o version ng Biblia. At salamat sa iyo kapatid na Henry dahil sa information mo na ibinigay mo sa amin hingil sa Amplified Bible.

At salamat na mismo kay brad Henry dahil sa kanyang information na ibinigay sa atin na buko na natin ang pag sisinungalin nya para lang masiraan ang Doctrina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica hinggil kay San Pedro. Ang sabi nya kasi “well alam ko ginagamit nyo ang amplified bible..and i tell you peter(grk petros)a large piece of rock and upon this Rock petra i will build my church a large piece of rock like gibraltar.. means ng gibraltar na syang petra (Christ) pagkalakilaki basahin mo ang gibraltar..kung anong klasing bato” –PERU ang katotohanan po, nang binasa ko po sa online ang footnote nang nasabing Amplified Bible (na inakala ni Henry na ginamit ko sa mga pagpapatotoo ko na si Pedro ay ang Bato) ang nakalagay doon ay Si Pedro or Peter’s inspired confession of faith in Jesus as the Messiah is the rock on which the church is built. Narito ang boong minsahi sa Amplified Bible:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=16&version=45

Matthew 16 (Amplified Bible)

18And I tell you, you are [e]Peter [Greek, Petros–a large piece of rock], and on this rock [Greek, petra–a [f]huge rock like Gibraltar] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the [g]infernal region) shall [h]not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it].

Footnotes:

e. Matthew 16:18 The rock on which the church is built is traditionally interpreted as either Peter’s inspired confession of faith in Jesus as the Messiah, or it may be Peter himself (see Eph. 2:20).

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=16&version=45

Sa itaas malinaw na malinaw ang kamalian ni Henry Arganda dahil sabi nya na ang “Rock petra i will build my church a large piece of rock like gibraltar.. means ng gibraltar na syang petra (Christ) Peru ang footnote nang nasabing Amplified Bible ay hindi naman pala. Kaya po nabuko po natin ang kamalian ni Henry Arganda.

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Henry: “kaya si cristo ang pundasyun ng iglesia..si pedro ay isa lang sa mga haligi Gal 2:9.si pedro rin ang tanungin natin na sya mismo ang nagsabi na sya (cristo)ang bato acts 4:10–11 o di ba marunong pa kayo kay pedro baka naman lumusot pa kayo na sabihin nyo na iba ang head of the corner or corner stone sa foundation para di ka na makalusot mr.paisones isa lang ang ibig sabihin nyan”

G-one: Wala po tayong problema sa nasambit ni Henry sa itaas na si Cristo ang pundasyon at bato sa Act. 4:10-11; si Cristo ang batong espiritwal 1 Cor. 10:4 (TNIV) and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.” Pero itinatag ng Panginoong Hesus Cristo ang Kanyang Iglesia kay Pedro Matt. 16:18, John 1:42; at sa mga Apostol at mga Propeta Efe. 2:20 (TNIV) “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”

Ang pagkakamali lang po ni Henry Arganda ay ang conclusion nya’ng si Cristo ang bato sa Matt. 16:18, na wala pong ebidensya. Naniniwala po ang santa Iglesia Catolica na si Cristo ang Batong Espiritwal the Foundation of the Church (Defense Catholic Truth By Bro. Socrates Fernandez, Page 59-60) peru hindi po si Cristo ang Bato na tinotukoy sa Matt. 16:18.

Sa Bible hindi po dapat natin limitahan ang ating pang-unawa sa mga termino o mga salitang bumabasi sa SUBJECT ng mga ito dahil kalimitan ng mga TERMS na ito ay FIGURATIVE o BIBLICAL EXPRESSION.

Halimbawa:

“BATO”

-DIOS ay Bato (2 Sam. 22:2-3)

-Cristo ay Bato (1 Cor. 10:4)

-Pedro ay Bato (John 1:42)

-Believers ay Bato (1 Ped. 2:5 Magandang Balita Biblia)

“PASTOL”

-Cristo ay Pastol (John 10:11) (1 Ped. 2:25)

-Apostles & Church Leaders ay Pastol {implicit} (Act. 20:28)

-Pedro ay Pastol {implicit} (John 21:15-17)

“LION”

-Crito (Rev. 5:5)

-Judah (Gen 49:9 CEV)

-Devil like a roaring lion (1 Pet. 5:8)

Wala po akong dapat lusotan dahil ang Scripture na mismo ang nag papatunay na si Cristo ay ang Batong Espiritwal na pundasyon ng Iglesia (1 Cor. 10:4) (Defense Catholic Truth By Bro. Socrates Fernandez, Page 59), at si Pedro ay Bato (John 1:42) (My Catholic Faith By Most Reverend Louis LaRavoire Morrow, Page 98) na syang pagtatayoan ni Cristo sa Kanyang Iglesia (Matt 16:18-19) (Paano Ninyo Sasagutin By Fr. Ben Carreon, Page 126-127) at ang mga apostol at propeta (Efe. 2:20) (Catechism for Filipino Catholic {Junior Edition}, Number 482, Page 163) (Catholic Catechism By Fr. M. Guzman, Number 157, Page 39).

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Henry: “Isa.28:16 “therefore thus saith the Lord God behold i lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,a precious corner stone..a sure foundation.o ano baka mali si Isais nyan tigas kasi ng ulo nyo sinabi na ni pedro eh na si Cristo ang pundasyun ayaw nyo pang tanggapin o sige sagutin mo yan”

G-one: Itong si Henry napakasinungaling, Hindi po doctrina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica na si Cristo ay hindi foundation; kaya nga ginamit po namin ang Efe. 2:20 dahil aral ng Iglesia Catolica yang verse na yan. Ang punto po naming dito na SA MATTHEW 16:18 SI SAN PEDRO PO ANG BATO NA SINABI NI CRISTO NA PAGTATAYOAN NG KANYANG IGLESIA. Therefore Saint Peter is the Foundation of the Church in Matt. 16:18.

Para malaman ng lahat ang Doctrina ng Santa Iglesia ay ang mga ito:

Si Cristo ay ang espirituwal na BATO ng Iglesia (1 Cor. 10:4) “Yes, it is true that Christ is the leading cornerstone of the foundation (Eph. 2:20). Christ is himself, “the spiritual rock following them and the rock is Christ” (1 Cor. 10:4). This is a metaphorical Biblical expression which means that Christ is really the spiritual head and leader. However, it is willed by the Lord that there must be a visible leader in his Church and that leader be his vicar. Therefore those texts from 1 Cor. 3:11; Acts 4:11 do not contradict the Catholic teaching that Christ is the cornerstone of the foundation. However, we cannot also go against Christ’s will to appoint a visible head for His Church.”

“And now I say to you: you are Peter (or rock) and on this rock I will build My church; and never will the powers of death overcome it” (Matt. 16:18). Remember that Christ was the one who changed the name Simon into Cephas (Jn. 1:42). Cephas in Aramaic means ROCK- or BEDROCK, not an ordinary small stone rolling on the ground. Even in Greek, the word CEPHAS comes from Kephalaion which means fundamental or foundation (GREEK – SPANISH dictionary, Mendizabal, Page 298) Even though foundation is also defined by other people as faith of Peter but what is faith if there is no person holding on to it?” (Defense Catholic Truth by Bro. Socrates Fernandez, Page 59)

Si San Pedro ang pundasyon ng Iglesia sa Matt. 16:18 “At tungkol sa ‘bato’ na ayaw kilalanin ng kaibigan mo (Numer Villanosa), sabihin mo sa kanyang wala siyang balita. Halos lahat ng mga dalubhasa sa Bibliyang Protestante ay tinitiyak na walang ibang batong binabanggit si Kristo sa Mt. 16:18 kundi si Pedro. Kasama rito si Alford, Bloomfield, Kiel, Marsch, Rosmuller, Seifert, Thompson, at Weiss at iba pa. Ang mga ito’y nagsunog ng kilay bilang bihasa at iskolar sa syensya ng Biblia at lahat sila’y nagpapatotoo na walang ibang batong binanggit si Kristo sa tekstong yaon (Matt. 16:18) kundi si Pedro.” (Paano Ninyo Sasagutin by Fr. Ben Carreon, Page 126) <Emphasis added>

Ang mga Apostol at mga profeta ang pundastion ng Iglesia at si Cristo mismo ang chief cornerstone (Efe. 2:20). “The Catholic Church is apostolic because she was founded by Christ on the Apostles and in accordance with his divine will has always been and will always be governed by their lawful successors.” (Catholic Catechism By Fr. M. Guzman, Number 157, Page 39).

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Henry: “o sige gamitin natin yung ginagamit nyo sa efeso..2:20..diba ginagamit nyo ito para patunayan na ang pundasyun ay apostol eh mali pa rin kayo ipalagay na natin na maga apostol ang pundasyun sa hindi paggamit ng ibang verse sa biglang basa ika nga mali pa rin kayo kasi sabi nyo si pedro lang ang pundasyun eh d2 mga apostol at mga propeta eh di marami nakuuu bakit paborito nyo si pedro lang mahina pundasyun nyo sa tao lang”

G-one: Para sa kalinawan ng lahat hindi po namin sinabi na si Pedro lamang ang pundasyon na mababasa sa BUONG BIBLIA. Napakasinungaling po nitong si Mr. Arganda. Mr. Arganda saan po nabasa na sinulat ko na si Pedro lang ang pundasyon na mababasa sa Buong Biblia? Ang sabi ko na si Pedro lamang ang Pundation na tinotokoy na pagtatayuan ng Iglesia sa Matt. 16:18 (specific verse in the Bible; not whole Bible); hindi ko sinabing si Pedro LAMANG ang Foundation ng Iglesia na mababasa sa Buong Biblia. Para maintindihan ng lahat… Sa Matt. 16:18 si Pedro lamang ang tinutukoy na syang pagtatayuan ng Iglesia (kung sa Matt. 16:18 lamang ang pag-uusapan) peru kung sa buong biblia na pag-uusapan abay hindi ko sinasabing si San Pedro lamang ang Foundation ng Iglesia; pati narin ang Panginoong Jesu-Cristo, mga Apostol at mga Propeta ay Foundation rin ng tunay na Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo (Efe. 2:20).

At mali daw ang nakasulat sa Efe. 2:20 na ang mga Apostol ay pundation ng Iglesia. Nako itong si Mr. Arganda kahit mababasa na eh gilubag parin. Hindi po mali ang Efe. 2:20 ang mali po ay si Mr. Arganda.

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Henry: “ang tamang unawa dito ay ang mga apostol at ang mga propeta nakatayo sa pundasyun na si jesucristo dahil sila nga haligi Gal 2:9 san ba nakatayo ang haligi ?sagutin mo?tanungin pa natin si pablo kung sino ang pusdasyun ng iglesia?1 cor3:11- for other foundation can no man lay than that is laid which is laid,which is laid jesus Christ..patunayan mo mr.paisones na si pedro ang pundasyun ayon sa biblia kapag napatunayan mo yan tunay kayong iglesia ang romano kung hindi sorry to say kayong lahat pa impeyerno dahil giba ang inyong pundasyun ..pag nagiba ang pundasyun lahat ng aral nyo mali na yan..hihintayin ko ang sagot mo.”

G-one: Sa pundation ng Tunay na Iglesia, hindi lamang si Pedro o mga apostol at mga propeta ang nag silbing pundasyon dito, bagkus nariyan si Cristo ang Batong Espiritwal(1 Cor. 10:4) na foundation din ng tunay na Iglesia (1 Cor 3:11) (Defense Catholic Truth by Bro. Socrates Fernandez, Page 59-60) dahil sasamahan nya ang Kanyang Iglesia hanggang sa kataposan ng mundo (Mat. 28:19-20) at hinding-hindi ito madadaig ng kamatayan (Matt. 16:18-19). Kaya hindi po contradict ang Matt. 16:18 at Eph. 2:20 sa 1 Cor. 3:11.

Ang ibig sabihin sa “for other foundation can no man lay” ito po yong mga itinatag na Iglesia na tao lamang ang nag tatag, at hindi si Cristo (Act 17:24 KJV “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands,”) -tulad na lamang ng 4th Watch PMCC na itinatag ni Arsenio Feriol dito sa Pilipinas.

Ang 4th Watch PMCC na itinatag ni Arsenio Ferriol ay hindi tunay na iglesia sapagkat ayon kay Cristo na Siya ay mag tatag ng Kanyang Iglesia (Matt. 16:18) at naitatag nya ito (Mat. 18:17) at sasamahan nya ito araw-araw hanggang sa kataposan ng mundo (Matt. 28:19-20) kaya mula sa panahon ng Panginoon Jesu-Cristo hanggang sa kasalukoyan NARITO PARIN ANG TUNAY NA IGLESIA- AT ITO ANG SANTA, IGLESIA, CATOLICA, APOSTOLICA, ROMANA. Samantalang ang 4th Watch PMCC ay wala pang isang daan taon itong itinatag ni Arsenio Ferriol.

Ang Santa Iglesia Catolica lamang ang makapag-dugtong sa panahon ni Cristo hanggang sa kasalukoyang panahon.

MGA TANONG PARA KAY HENRY ARGANDA

  1. Si Pedro ba ay Bato?
  2. Kung ang sagot mo ay Bato, ito ba ay malaking bato o maliit na bato?
  3. Sabi mo na mali ang naka sulat sa Efe. 2:20; ano ba ang authority mo nang sabihin mo na mali ang Efe. 2:20?
  4. Makapag bigay kaba ng Bible scholar na nagsasabing ang mga apostol ay hindi foundation dyan sa citas ng Efe. 2:20?
  5. Sang-ayon kaba sa sinasabi ko na ang tunay na iglesia ay sasamahan ni Cristo araw-araw hanggang sa kataposan ng mundo?
  6. Kung hindi ka sang-ayon sa (#5); nag sisinungaling ba si Cristo ng Sabihin nya na sasamahan Niya ang kangyang Iglesia hanggang sa kataposan ng mundo(Matt. 16:18)?
  7. Kung sang-ayon ka sa (#5); sang-ayon kaba sa sinasabi ko na ang tunay na Iglesia ay narito pa sa ating kasalukoyang panahon?
  8. Kailan na itatag ang 4th Watch PMCC?
  9. Kung ang sagot mo sa (#8) ay 33 A.D.; may maipapakita kabang mga standard na mga referencia na nagpapatunay sa sagot mo?
  10. Saan mababasa sa Biblia na ang 4th Watch PMCC ay itinatag ni Cristo letra-4-letra (at word-4-word)?
  11. Saan mababasa sa standard na mga references na ang 4th Watch PMCC ay itinatag ni Cristo letra-4-letra (at word-4-word)??
  12. Saan mababasa sa Biblia 4th Watch PMCC (Sa Chapter at verses nito)?
  13. Kailan mo ba ipapaharap sa akin yong proxy mo upang matuloy na ang debate nating hinggil kung sino ang tunay na Iglesiang Itinatag ni Cristo?

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ARE ALL IMAGES, IDOLS?

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 11, 2008

ARE ALL IMAGES, IDOLS?


Defense: Catholic Truth

Page 38-41

By: Bro. Socrates Fernandez


Nihil Obstat:

Msgr. Adelito Abella

Imprimatur:

Ricardo Cardinal Vidal, D.D.

Archdiocese of Cebu

OBJECTION #1: It is clear in the bible which says, “Therefore, do not become corrupted; do not make an idol or a god carved in form of a man or of a woman” (Deut. 4:16). “You shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I, Yahweh, your God, I am a jealous God…” (Exodus 20:5). “I am Yahweh, that is my name, I will not give my glory to another or my praise to graven images” (Isa. 42:8).

Here, it is very clear that God prohibits the carving of images in the form of man or woman; what God allows to be carved are those images of cherubim or images of man (Ex. 25:18-19), but God never recommended those images to be worshipped.

ANSWER: Is the text used from Deut. 4:16 that God prohibits the making of any images of man or woman, a prohibition without any condition? Or the prohibition means that the images shall not be thought of as God? Because if you will say that the making of images, be it man or woman, is really prohibited without any condition, then, God is the first one who violated the law when He commanded Moses to make images of angels or cherubim.

If these angels are represented by the images allowed by Yahweh, these are images of men but with wings. Since the angels, upon appearing before Lot, were in form of men who are masculine (Gen. 19:1,5-8). Also, inside the temple or the House of God, these are images of cherubim and images of men: “He took me into the sanctuary…adorned with carved cherubs and palm tress and cherubs alternating, each cherub had two faces-the face of a man facing the palm tree on one side…” (Ezek. 41:1, 18-19). It is clear then that if all images represent false god, then God is the first one who erred when He commanded Moses to carve the images of angels (Ex. 25:18-19) and the image of a fiery serpent (Num. 21:8). But as we already know, God cannot commit any fault, therefore, it is our misinterpretation which led us to err in saying that all images represent false god. The Scripture teaches us what are false gods: “For we know an idol (false god) is without existence…” (1 Cor. 8:4). The Glory and praise of God can never be given to these idols which represent things which are non-existent. Therefore, it is very clear that the images of the angels and the saints are not idols because they are representing true beings.

OBJECTION #2: God also prohibits anyone to worship or to knell down in front of the images, even to procession the images, like Catholics are doing, because it is written: “Some pour out gold from their purses and with silver weight on the scales, they hire a goldsmith to make an image before which they bow and worship. They cry out to it, but it does not answer. It does not answer. It delivers no one from distress and disaster” (Isa. 46:6-7).

ANSWER: We have proven in the first answer that not all images are idols. This text quoted from Isaiah 46:6-7, wherein gold is made into an image, is worshipped and recognized as God can never be used to strike down the practice of Catholic sense there is no Catholic doctrine which teaches that images are being thought of as God. The passage from Exodus 20:5, which prohibits believer to bow down before images and served them is when this images are considered god. Proof to this is when the people of God in a procession of the ark, bearing the Ten Commandments, carried engraved stone tablets. Above the ark, two images of cherubim are placed (2 Samuel 6:2-5).

OBJECTION #3: He who casts his eyes on an idol or image is also worshipping idols for the Bible says, “But he who looks to the idols, does detestable things” (Ezequiel 18:12).

ANSWER: What is prohibited in Ezequiel 18:12 clearly cites the look of one’s eyes on the idols and here the idols mention in the scripture. “Bel bow down, Nebo stoops and their carriages weighed down with heavy images their idols borne by beasts of burden…” (Isa. 46:1).

But in the image of cherubim or that of a fiery serpent Yahweh had told Moses he is there to have a conversation with His people, there is no prohibition with that (Ex. 25:22). Anyone who looks at the graven fiery serpent, which represents the presence of God, will be cured from the poisonous bite of the snakes (Num. 21:8). “Moses pleaded for the people and Yahweh said to him, Moses a fiery serpent and a set on a standard; whoever has been bitten and then looks at it shall live.”

OBJECTION #4: One is also prohibited to kneel down before the image. “What was the answer of God? I kept for myself seven thousand who did not worship Baal” (Romans 11:4).

ANSWER: It is clear that the image prohibited by God to be worshipped is that of Baal who is a false god. However, Joshua, the man of God, while he prays, prostrates himself in front of the ark where the image is placed. The bible says, “Then, Joshua and all the leaders of Israel don their garments, put ashes on their heads remained prostate before the ark of Yahweh until evening” (Josh 7:6).

OBJECTION #5: It is unlawful to pray to images (1 Kings 18:26).

ANSWER: No Catholic who is normal prays to images. The Catholic doctrine says, “We are not praying to the crucifix or to the images or to the relics of the saints” (New Baltimore Catechism no. 3 page 132)

OBJECTION #6: It is unlawful to dance before images. “When he drew to the camp and saw the calf and dancing, his anger burst forth and he threw the slabs from his hands and shattered them against the base of the mountain” (Ex. 32:19).

ANSWER: Dancing before image is an act of idolatry. However, the man of God, King David, because of his abundant joy, danced before the ark of the Lord.

OBJECTION #7: It is unlawful to kiss an image. “Yet I will spare seven thousand in Israel who have not knelt before Baal whose lips have not kissed him” (1 Kings 19:18).

ANSWER: It is the same men who kissed by men before Baal, the false god. Therefore, it is unlawful before the true God (1 Kings 19:18).

OBJECTION #8: All these prohibitions stated in the Bible regarding images are really violated by the Catholics. Here, the Catholics says that the worship the tree. The Catholic Church in its liturgy during Good Friday sings this line: “Ecce Lignum crucis, in quo salus mundi pepindit. Venite Adoremus”. (Behold the wooden cross, upon which the one crucified is the salvation of the world. Come, let us adore Him). After this song, the priest carefully places the cross above the cotton foam, bows his head three times before the cross and on the third time, the priest kissed it, while two of his lay assistants will sing the following: “Crucem tuam, adoremus Domine” (Lord, we worship your cross).

ANSWER: Our act of worshipping the cross during Good Friday does not mean that it is the wooden cross that we pay homage to, but the one crucified on the cross, whom we worship. It is figure of speech called metonymy which is an act of addressing, possessing or owning as if one the owner. Like when we mention the “crown or throne” which represents the king.

Just like what Jacob did. “By faith Jacob, before he dead, blessed both children of Joseph and worshipped as he learned on his staff” (Heb. 11:21). This simply means that the one he worships is the one represented by the staff who is Christ. “Extol the Lord, our God; worship at his footstool. Holy is He, and mighty!” (Psalm 98:5, Catholic version). The one to be worshipped in this passage is the footstool but actually footstool here represents the Lord himself.

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Reply from Henry Arganda (Member PMCC 4thwatch) #1

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 4, 2008

Author : henry arganda (IP: 64.228.132.176 , bas2-windsor12-1088718000.dsl.bell.ca)
E-mail : henri_4w@yahoo.ca
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Comment:
sa sagot mo sa apostolic succession ginamit mo ang mga obispo ay ang kahalili ng mga apostol..ginamit ang sa gawa 1;20-bishopric ang bishopric ay office..sa tagalog ito ay “katunkulan”ang bishop ay overseer..ang pagkakamali mo ay pinagisa mo ang kahulugan..para patunayan na ang bishop of rome ay apostol din maling mali..ka dyan mr.paisones..dahil iba ang  bishop sa apostol ang apostol ay haligi ng iglesia Gal 2:9 isa lang dyan si pedro hindi sya pundasyun kundi haligi palagay ko naman alam mo ang pagkakaiba ng pundasyun at haligi he he .. ang bishop sa acts 20:28..ay mga elders sa church..mula yan sa context ng acts 20:17-hindi sila kahalili sapagkat wala kang mababasa sa biblia na sila (obispo)ay magiging kahalili..bigyan mo nga ako ng verse na ang obispo ayun sa biblia ang magiging kahalili ng mga apostol ..ito na lang ang tanggapin mo na magsusugo ang Dios ng mga apostol lucas 11:49..ang elders or bishop ay appointed lang ng mga kasamahan ng mga apostol..titus 1:5- hindi sinabi
ni cristo o ng mga apostol na silang mga obispo ang magiging kahalili nila kundi ang sabi nya magsusugo sya ng apostol ..ibig sabihin apostol pa rin ang haligi ng iglesia hindi elders o bishop naunawaan mo ba?sinabi ko na totoo lang ang apostolic succession kay judas at kay mattias..dahil ang pinaguusapan natin ay apostolic  yung sagot mo sa akin sa isa.22.15-21 hindi apostolic yun. yun nangyari na wag mong idamay yun di naman apostolic yun..pinatungkul mo yun kay pedro dahil may key din si ellacim..at si pedro ibibigay din ang susi mat16:19..ano itong key?not literal key but authority..dito rin sa verse na ito..ano mang iyong taliaan sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit..ang pagkakamali nyo ay kala nyo kay peter lang ngunit ang authority na ito ay sa lahat ng apostol..mat.18:18 basahin mo.at sa juan 20:23-24.bakit masyado ninyong itinatangi si pedro?

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-Replied by: Brod. G-one T. Paisones-

Sagutin po natin ang mga reaction at accusation ni Bro. Henry Arganda tungkol sa post namin (https://catholicfaithdefender.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/tanong-galing-sa-member-ng-pmcc-4thwatch-henry-arganda/) na nag lalayong masagutan ang lahat ng mga tanong ng taos puso para maihatid sa buong madla ang tunay na aral ng Santa Iglesia Catolica basi narin sa Katesismong, aklat Catoliko at sa higit sa lahat sa Biblia.

Ang sabi po ni Bro. Henry ay “sa sagot mo sa apostolic succession ginamit mo ang mga obispo ay ang kahalili ng mga apostol..ginamit ang sa gawa 1;20-bishopric ang bishopric ay office..sa tagalog ito ay “katunkulan”ang bishop ay overseer..ang pagkakamali mo ay pinagisa mo ang kahulugan..para patunayan na ang bishop of rome ay apostol din maling mali..ka dyan mr.paisones..”; kapatid na Henry hindi po ako nagkamali dahil hindi ko pinag-isa ang bishopric at ang bishop para mapatunayan lang namin na ang Bishop of Rome ay kahalili ni San Pedro. Kapatid na Henry, alam ko po ang pagkakaiba ng BISHOPRIC sa BISHOP; ang bishopric sa tagalog ay Katungkolan ng Obispo (Sa nasambit mo sa itaas; halatang hindi mo sinulat kung anong katungkulan ang BISHOPRIC) at ang Obispo ay ang nanunungkulan dito.

Narito po ang mga pahayag namin:

àsa Act 1:20 ating makikita na ang greek word na πισκοπν ay ang apostles’ offices o ang office of the bishop.

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1984.htm

ST#1984. episkope (ep-is-kop-ay’) πισκοπν, πισκοπςthe office of a bishop (From episkeptomai; inspection (for relief); by implication, superintendence; specially, the Christian “episcopate” — the office of a “bishop”, bishoprick, visitation.)

With this clear evidence we can arrive with the correct conclusions that apostle’s office is office of a bishop and the office of a bishop is apostle’s office.

(https://catholicfaithdefender.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/tanong-galing-sa-member-ng-pmcc-4thwatch-henry-arganda/)

Kaya kapatid na Henry, paki basa po ng maigi ang post namin, para ho hindi po kayo basta-bastang gagawa ng mga accusation na puro walang proweba o ebidensya.

Para sa ating mambabasa, talakayin po natin ang Gawa 1:12-26

TAGALOG: Ang Dating Biblia (1905) http://adb.scripturetext.com/acts/1.htm

Gawa 1: 15 At nang mga araw na ito’y nagtindig si Pedro sa gitna ng mga kapatid, at nagsabi (at nangagkakatipon ang karamihang mga tao, na may isang daa’t dalawangpu), 16 Mga kapatid, kinakailangang matupad ang kasulatan, na nang una ay sinalita ng Espiritu Santo, sa pamamagitan ng bibig ni David tungkol kay Judas, na siyang pumatnugot sa nagsihuli kay Jesus. 17 Sapagka’t siya’y ibinilang sa atin, at siya’y tumanggap ng kaniyang bahagi sa ministeriong ito. 18 Kumuha nga ang taong ito ng isang parang sa pamamagitan ng ganti sa kaniyang katampalasanan; at sa pagpapatihulog ng patiwarik, ay pumutok siya sa gitna, at sumambulat ang lahat ng mga laman ng kaniyang tiyan. 19 At ito’y nahayag sa lahat ng mga nagsisitahan sa Jerusalem; ano pa’t tinawag ang parang na yaon sa kanilang wika na Aceldama, sa makatuwid baga’y, Ang parang ng Dugo.)

20 Sapagka’t nasusulat sa aklat ng Mga Awit, Bayaang mawalan nawa ng tao ang kaniyang tahanan, At huwag bayaang manahan doon ang sinoman; at, Bayaang kunin ng iba ang kaniyang katungkulan.

21 Sa mga taong ito nga na nangakisama sa atin sa buong panahon na ang Panginoong si Jesus ay pumapasok at lumalabas sa atin, 22 Magmula sa pagbautismo ni Juan, hanggang sa araw na siya’y tanggapin sa itaas mula sa atin, ay nararapat na ang isa sa mga ito’y maging saksi na kasama natin sa kaniyang pagkabuhay na maguli. 23 At kanilang ibinukod ang dalawa, si Jose na tinatawag na Barsabas, na pinamagatang Justo, at si Matias. 24 At sila’y nagsipanalangin, at nagsipagsabi, Ikaw, Panginoon, na nakatataho ng mga puso ng lahat ng mga tao, ay ipakilala mo kung alin sa dalawang ito ang iyong hinirang, 25 Upang tanggapin ang katungkulan sa ministeriong ito at pagkaapostol na kinahulugan ni Judas, upang siya’y makaparoon sa kaniyang sariling kalalagyan. 26 At sila’y pinagsapalaran nila; at nagkapalad si Matias; at siya’y ibinilang sa labingisang apostol.

CEBUANO: Ang Biblia (KJV in Cebuano Translation)

Gawa 1: 12-26 “Ug unya namauli sila sa Jerusalem gikan sa bungtod nga ginganlan ug Olivo nga duol sa Jerusalem, nga may gilay-on nga sama sa malakaw sa usa ka adlaw nga igpapahulay. 13Ug sa nakasulod na sila, misaka sila sa lawak sa itaas diin didto mag abutan sila si Pedro ug si Juan ug si Santiago ug si Andres, si Felipe ug si Tomas, si Bartolome ug si Mateo, si Santiago nga anak ni Alfeo, si Simon nga Zelote ug si Judas nga anak ni Santiago. 14Kini silang tanan nanagpadayon sa paghiusa sa pag-ampo, kauban sa mga babaye lakip kang Maria nga inahan ni Jesus, ug kauban sa iyang mga igsoong lalaki.

15Ug niadtong mga adlawa si Pedro mitindog taliwala sa kaigsoonan (dihay pundok sa mga usa ka gatus ug kaluhaan ka tawo), ug miingon kanila, 16Mga igsoon, kinahanglan nga matuman gayud ang kasulatan nga gipamulong daan sa Espiritu Santo pinaagi sa baba ni David, mahitungod kang Judas nga nahimong magtotultol sa mga nanagdakop kang Jesus. 17Kay kadto siya nahiapil man kanamo ug nakabaton ug bahin niining maong pagpang-alagad. 18(Ug kini siya nakapanag-iyag usa ka luna nga yuta gumikan sa gisuhol kaniya sa iyang pagkadili matarung; ug sa pagkahulog niya nga nag una ang ulo, mibuto ang iyang tiyan ug nahurot pagkayagyag ang iyang tinai. 19Ug nahibaloan kini sa tanang nanagpuyo sa Jerusalem nga tungod niana kadtong yutaa ginganlan ug Akeldama sa ilang pinulongan, nga sa ato pa, Yuta nga Dugoon.` 20Kay sa basahon sa mga Salmo nahisulat kini nga nagaingon: `Ipahimong awaaw ang iyang yutang puloy-anan, ug ayaw na kini papuy-ig tawo;` ug `Ang iyang katungdanan ipakuha sa lain.` 21Busa, sa mga tawo nga among gikauban sulod sa tanang panahon nga ang Ginoong Jesus misulod ug migula sa among taliwala, 22sukad sa pagpangbautismo ni Juan hangtud sa adlaw sa pagbayaw kaniya gikan kanato—usa niining mga tawhana kinahanglan himoon nga uban kanamo saksi sa iyang pagkabanhaw.” 23Ug ilang gipaatubang ang duha ka tawo nga pagapilian, si Jose nga ginganlan ug Barsabas nga gianggaan ug Justo, ug si Matias. 24Ug nanag-ampo sila nga nag-ingon, “Ginoo, ikaw nga nasayud sa mga kasingkasing sa tanang tawo, ipasundayag kinsa niining duha ang imong gipili 25nga maoy mokuha sa dapit niining pagpang-alagad ug pagka-apostol nga gibiyaan ni Judas nga miadto sa iyang kaugalingong dapit.” 26Ug ilang giripahan sila, ug si Matias mao ang nahitungnan; ug siya naihap nga kauban sa napulog-usa ka mga apostoles.”

Pansinin po natin ang “Gawa 1:15” makikita natin dyan na si San Pedro ang nagsalita sa harap ng maraming Kristiano at mga Apostol. Bakit po ba? Kasi si San Pedro po ang:


PETER (Gr. Petros, rock) the most prominent of the 12 apostles in the Gospels and an outstanding leader in the early Christian church. NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 448

PETER, St (d. 64-67), chief of the 12 Apostles, brother of St. Andrew. He was originally called Simon but Jesus gave him the Aramaic name “KEPHA”, meaning rock, translated into Greek as “Petros”. The New Webster Dictionary of the English Language (International Edition)- Page 751

Pansinin po natin ang “Gawa 1:16” makikita natin dyan na ipinahayag ni San Pedro na si Judas ang inihula ni David na siyang (Judas) pumatnugot sa nagsihuli kay Jesus. Narito po ang Karagdagang ebidensya sa pahayag natin:

Geneva Study Bible Commentary (http://bible.cc/acts/1-16.htm)

{7} Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

(7) Peter anticipates the offence that might be taken at the falling away of Judas the betrayer, showing that all things which happened to him were foretold by God.

Sa “Gawa 1:17” naman mapapansin natin na si Judas ay tumanggap ng kaniyang bahagi sa ministering (ministry) ito. Pakakatandaan po natin na ang MINISTRY ay ibig sabihin ay- “The act of ministering or serving (The Clergy)” –WEBSTER II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 171.

Tumungo naman po tayo sa “Gawa 1:20” -Bayaang kunin ng iba ang kaniyang katungkulan- Ito po ay naka basis a Salmo 109:8. Ang Katungkulan dyan ay mababasa sa Greek na πισκοπν (EPISKOPEN) the office of a “bishop”http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1984.htm

Kahit na grade 6 alam kung sino ang nanunungkulan sa office of a Bishop- kundi ang Bishop din o Obispo.

Para sa karagdagang ebidensya na ang πισκοπν ay office of a bishop:

The Greek New Testament Dictionary, Page 70: πισκοπν , πισκοπς f. visitation (of God’s presence among men); office; place of service; office of bishop (1 Tim. 3:1)

Si Judas po ang direct subject ng Gawa 1:20, kaya po si Judas ay may tungkulin office of bishop o panunungkulan bilang Obispo. Therefore si Judas ay Obispo.

Si Judas ay patay na at kailangan ang may humalili sa kanyang tungkulin bilang Obispo para may taga bantay ang kawan ng Diyos at taga gawa ng iniwan nyang (Judas) tungkulin.

Pansinin naman po natin ang “Gawa 1:25 Upang tanggapin ang katungkulan sa ministeriong ito at pagkaapostol na kinahulugan ni Judas…” Mapapansin po natin na ang katungkulan ni Judas ay tatanggapin ng kanyang kahalili sa katungkulan bilang isang minister (ministro) at apostol na iniwan ni Judas. Sa itatas na I-discuss na po natin na si Judas ay may tungkulin office of bishop o panunungkulan bilang Obispo (Gawa 1:20). Sa atin pong conclusion ay napakalinaw na ang katungkulan ng pagka Obispo ay katungkulan rin ng mga Apostol at ang katungkolan ng mga Apostol ay katungkulan rin ng mga Obispo dahil ang ang ibig sabihin ng Apostol at Opispo ay:

BISHOP =Gr. Episkopos, overseer- originally the principal officer of the local church, the other being the deacon or deacons (1 Tim, 3:1-7). The title elder or presbyter generally applied to the same man; “elder” referring to his age and dignity and “bishop” to his work of superintendence. As the church multiplied, the bishop of a larger church would be given special honor, and so gradually there grew up a hierarchy, all the way from presiding elders to bishops (over group of churches), then archbishop. (NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 93)

APOSTLES Gr. Apostolos, messenger, envoy, ambassador). This title is used to describe various men in the NT. (1) Jesus himself is the ambassador of the Father (Heb. 3:1). (2) The twelve disciples were chosen and commissioned by Christ (Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:14; 6:30; Luke 6:13; 9:10; 11:49; 17:5; 22:14; 24:10). These men (with Matthias replacing Judas) proclaimed the gospel and established churches…. (3). Paul was commission by the resurrected Christ to be the messenger of the gentiles… There are others called who are called “apostles” in NT. James, the brother of the Lord Jesus (Gal. 1:19, 2:9); Barnabas (Act 14:4, 14); Andronicus and Junias (Rom. 16:7) and Silas (1 Thess. 2:6). (NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 40)

Barnabus, Silvanus and Junias are given the title of Apotles later, but in derivative sense. They have a universal mission, given by Paul, to preach the gospel, and this seems to be the common trait of resemblance. Apotles also occur in the DIDACHE, 11:3-6, after which the term “Apotles” ceases to designate a special function. It is still used as general term for the prechers of the Gospel. (Intelligent Theology, Volume-2, Page 71, By: Piet Fransen, SJ)


Dahil sa pangako ng Panginoon na sasamahan Niya ang kanyang Iglesia hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo (Mat. 28:20); sinamahan at pinamunuan Nya ito ng Siya ay nabubuhay pa; nang Siya ay pumunta na sa Langit, itinalaga Niya sa Kanyang mga apostol ang mga Gawain bilang ambassador at Obispo (Mat. 28:19,Luke 10:16, Act. 1:20-25) at ang pangkalahatang Obispo sa mga Obispo kay San Pedro (John 21:15-17); nang namatay na lahat ang mga apostol, kung wala pong hahalili sa kanila e sino na ang mamamahala ng Iglesia? Therefore it is very reasonable that the apostles had successors to teach, care and overseer all God’s peoples.

Para maiintindihan ng maiigi ang nasa itaas, narito po ang ilang analogy at logic na sample po natin.

Analogy:

Ang namamahala ng office of the President ay ang Presidente.

Ang namamahala ng office of the bishop ay ang bishop o Obispo.

Logic:

Ang Obispo ay ang namamahala sa office of the bishop (Obispo)

But si Judas ay namahala sa office of the bishop = (Act 1:20-25)

Therefore si Judas ay Obispo

Si Judas a may kahalili = (Act 1:20-25)

But si Judas ay Apostol = (Mat 10:4)

Therefore ang Apostol ay may kahalili

Ang Apostol ay may kahalili (Base on Logical Reasoning sample #2)

But si Pedro ay Apostol = (Mat. 10:2)

Therefore si Pedro ay may kahalili.

Sa mga naibigay nating logical reasoning napakalinaw po na ang mga apostol ay may kahalili basi narin sa ating mga argumento at mga ebidensya na naaayon sa tamang logic and reality.

Sabi ni kapatid na Henry “dahil iba ang  bishop sa apostol ang apostol ay haligi ng iglesia Gal 2:9 isa lang dyan si pedro hindi sya pundasyun kundi haligi palagay ko naman alam mo ang pagkakaiba ng pundasyun at haligi he he .” Sa pakutyang reply ni brad Henry sa amin ho, nais ko pong makipag challenge sa kanya na “pag may nabasa ako na ang mga Apostol ay pundasyon (Isa na riyan si San Pedro); aaminin ba n’yang siya ay may kaunting kamalian?”

Ang mga Apostolis ay Pundasyon

Foundation of the Apostles

Eph. 2:20

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

ΠΡΟΣ ΕΦΕΣΙΟΥΣ 2:20 Greek NT: WH / NA27 / UBS4
ποικοδομηθέντες π τ θεμελί τν ποστόλων κα προφητν, ντος κρογωνιαίου ατο Χριστο ησο,

Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata
superaedificati super fundamentum apostolorum et prophetarum ipso summo angulari lapide Christo Iesu

Efesios 2:20 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas (©1997)
edificados sobre el fundamento de los apóstoles y profetas, siendo Cristo Jesús mismo la piedra angular,

King James Bible
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

American King James Version
And are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

American Standard Version
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;

Bible in Basic English
Resting on the base of the Apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief keystone,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:

Darby Bible Translation
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the corner-stone,

English Revised Version
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. Christ Jesus himself is the cornerstone.

Tyndale New Testament
and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Iesus Christ being the head cornerstone,

Weymouth New Testament
You are a building which has been reared on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, the cornerstone being Christ Jesus Himself,

Webster’s Bible Translation
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner-stone;

World English Bible
being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;

Young’s Literal Translation
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being chief corner –stone

The Jerusalem Bible

Eph. 2:19-20 So you are no longer aliens or foreign visitors: you are citizens like all the saints, and of God’s household. You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone.

Lahat po ng Bible translation ay nagsasabing “Foundation of the Apostles”, at kahit na sa Bible in Basic English ang foundation ay isinalin ng BASE meaning the lowest part ; bottom (WEBSTER II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 24.

Pansinin po natin ang sentence na “You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone” sa Jerusalem Bible. Sa Eph. 2:19 nakasaad po doon na “you are citizens like all the saints, and of God’s household” ibig sabihin po nito na kasapi naho tayo sa house ng Diyos. Ang house of God ay ang Iglesia po (1 Tim. 3:15 KJV “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”). We are part of the building (The Church) being built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone (Eph. 2:19-20).

Sabi ni Brod. Henry “ang bishop sa acts 20:28..ay mga elders sa church..mula yan sa context ng acts 20:17-hindi sila kahalili sapagkat wala kang mababasa sa biblia na sila (obispo)ay magiging kahalili....” Ang Act 20:28 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers (Bishop), to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood (emphasize added). Ang paliwanag ko po dito Bro Henry na ang mga Obispo po ang taga pakain ng kawan, sila ang itinalaga ni Jesus Biblang kaplit Nya bilang Obispo. At ang lahat ng mga Obispo ay may Obispo na itinalaga ng Panginoon-ito Obispo na ito ay si San Pedro (John 21:15-17). Sa kadahilanang mamamatay po ang mga Obispo at si San Pedro, natural nalamang po na may humalili sa kanilang authority, office, at katungkulan sa kadahilanang:

Para po maintindihang maigi ng ating mambabasa ang ibig sabihin natin sa itaas narito ang karagdagang information:

Cristo lang ang nagtatag ng Kanyang iglisya -Mat. 16:18 “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Naitatag N’ya sa kanyang kapanahonan ang Iglesia -Mat. 18:17 “And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.”

Ang Iglesia ay Kanyang (Jesus Cristo) Katawan –Col. 1:18 “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Siya (Jesus Christ) ang manliligtas ng iglisya -Efe 5:23 “For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.”

Itinayo Nya ang Iglesia sa saligan ng mga apostol -Efe 2:20 “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:

Sasamahan Nya hanggang sa katapusan ng sanlibutan(WALANG PUTOL NA SASAMAHAN NI JESUS ANG IGLESIA) -Mat. 28:20 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Bibigyan Nya ng patnubay ang Iglesia magpasawalang hanggang -John14:16-17 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; {14:17} [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

Espiritu Santo na magtuturo sa iglisya ng lahat ng bagay at magpapaalala ng lahat ng sinabi ni Cristo – John 14:26 “But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Therefore Ang tunay na iglisyang itinatag ni Cristo ay magpasahanggang sa ngayon ay narito pa at hindi ito kailan man tatalikod at mawawalang parang bula (Mat. 16:18) (Mat. 28:20) (Juan. 14:16-17, 26)

Kung wala pong hahalili sa mga apostol sino po ang mag aalaga, magpapakain, gagabay sa kawan ng Diyos?

Kaya po may kahalili ang mga apostol para po may mag-aalaga, magpapakain, gagabay, magtuturo sa Kawan ng Diyos.

Dagdag pa ni Bro Henry “bigyan mo nga ako ng verse na ang obispo ayun sa biblia ang magiging kahalili ng mga apostol”

Ang sagot natin dito ayon sa Biblia at Apostolic Traditon may mababasa po tayo at maiintindihan. Peru mas tatalakayin kopo rito ang Bibla.

Psalm 109:8 (KJV) Let his days be few; [and] let another take his office.

Psalm 108:8 (Douay Rheims) “May His days be few: and his bishopric let another take”

Act 1:20 (KJV) “For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.”

ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ 1:20 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed. with Strong’s Numbers
γέγραπται γὰρ ἐν βίβλῳ ψαλμῶν, γενηθήτω ἔπαυλις αὐτοῦ ἔρημος καὶ μὴ ἔστω κατοικῶν ἐν αὐτῇ, καί, τὴν ἐπισκοπὴν αὐτοῦ λαβέτω ἕτερος.

Sa itaas ay ang “Gawa 1:20” sa Greek New Testament; pansinin po natin ang word na “πισκοπν” (EPISKOPEN)- ang ibig sabihin po nito ay office of bishop (The Greek New Testament Dictionary, Page 70)

Ang katungkulan ni Judas bilang Obispo ay inilipat sa kanyang kahalili na si Matthias (Gawa 1:20-25). At logically ang kahahalili sa nanunungkolan sa office of the Bishop ay magiging Bishop (o Obispo) rin.

At may idadagdag paho tayo dito ang Matt. 16:18-19 at ang Isa. 22:21-22 peru sa ibaba nalang po natin i-discussed ang mga ito.

Sabi ni Brad Henry “ito na lang ang tanggapin mo na magsusugo ang Dios ng mga apostol lucas 11:49..ang elders or bishop ay appointed lang ng mga kasamahan ng mga apostol..titus 1:5- hindi sinabi ni cristo o ng mga apostol na silang mga obispo ang magiging kahalili nila kundi ang sabi nya magsusugo sya ng apostol .”

Brother Henry sa statement ayon po sa itaas ay para na rin kayong ginisa sa sarili ninyong mantika sapagkat ang sa Titus 1:5(KJV) “For this cause left I (Paul) thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I (Paul) had appointed thee: (emphasize added)”. Sa Titus 1:5 si San Pablo po ang nag direct (nag sugo) kay Titus na mag appoint ng elders sa lugar ng Crete para maging tagapagturo sa mga aral ng Diyos at magsilbing overseer sa mga kawan ng Diyos (Titus 1:7); ang Obispo ang itinalag ng Diyos upang taga pakain ng Iglesia (Titus 1:7). Sa panahong si Jesus ay kasama pa ng mga apostol, Sya ang ang nagsilbing pastol (taga pakain) sa kanyang mga karnero John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” Itinalaga nya ang kanyang tungkulin bilang mga pastol sa mga apostol, at itinalaga Niya (Cristo) ang lahat ng kawan kay San Pedro (John 21:15-17). Peru ang lahat ng mga Apostol ay mamatay-eh natural na lamang po na may humalili sa kanilang gawain (Act.1:20-25; Mat. 16:18; Mat 18:18; 1 Tim. 3:1-2; Titus 1:7) sapagkat ang Iglesia ay hindi mawawala at hindi madadaig ng kamatayan (Mat. 16:18, Mat. 28:19-20; John 14:16, 26). Kung hindi mawawala ang Iglesia; hindi rin mawawala ang mga nagtuturo, nagpapakain Nito (Church) hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo (Dan. 2:44; Isa. 22:19-23; Mat. 16:18-19; Mat. 18:18; Act. 1:20-25).

At sa nasambit natin sa itaas na maiintindihan po natin na ang mga obispo ang kahalili ng mga apostol sapagkat ang apostol (Judas) ay may kahalili na si Matthias. At si Judas ay Obispo sapagkat sya ay ang namamahala sa office of the Bishop πισκοπν (Act 1:20).Si Mathias ang humalili kay hudas. Therefore Mathias is also a Bishop.

Sambit rin ni Brad Henry “ibig sabihin apostol pa rin ang haligi ng iglesia hindi elders o bishop naunawaan mo ba?sinabi ko na totoo lang ang apostolic succession kay judas at kay mattias..dahil ang pinaguusapan natin ay apostolic  yung sagot mo sa akin sa isa.22.15-21 hindi apostolic yun. yun nangyari na wag mong idamay yun di naman apostolic yun..Pinatungkol mo yun kay pedro dahil may key din si ellacim..at si pedro ibibigay din ang susi mat16:19..ano itong key?not literal key but authority..dito rin sa verse na ito..ano mang iyong taliaan sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit..ang pagkakamali nyo ay kala nyo kay peter lang ngunit ang authority na ito ay sa lahat ng apostol..mat.18:18 basahin mo.at sa juan 20:23-24.bakit masyado ninyong itinatangi si pedro?”

Wala po tayong mababasa sa Biblia letra-4-letra na “na totoo lang ang apostolic succession kay judas at kay mattias” at lalong wala pong mababasa sa Biblia tungkol sa Founder ng PMMC 4thWatch. At kung binasa pa ng maigi ni Brad Henry, ang post namin hindi na sya mag komento sa amin na “hindi apostolic ang Isa. 22:15-22”; tatalakayin po natin dito ang Isa. 22:15-22 at Mat. 16:18-19

Ang Iglesia ay inihula na sa panahon ng Lumang Tipan na hindi mawawala (tatalikod o mamatay):

Dan. 2:44 “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” –Dito malinaw na nakasaad na ang Dios ay magtatayo ng isang Kaharian na hindi mawawala hanggang magpakailanman.

At sa panahon ni Jesu-Cristo nangyari ang inihula ni Daniel:

Mat. 16:18 “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. {16:19} And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.—Dito malinaw na ang hula sa Daniel 2:44 ang katuparan ay ang tunay na Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo na kahit ang kamatayan ay hindi ito kailan man madadaig ng kahit anung unos at kamatayan.

Si Pedro po ay Binigyan ng KEYS which are symbols of authority (At inamin ni brad Henry ito).

Sa Isa.22:21-22 “And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. {22:22} And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.” Ang KEY po dito ay katulad isang Rabinic Term na ibig sabihin ay AUTHORITY. Ano ba ang Authority?

Authority– (Gr. Exousia) The Legal and/or moral right to exercise of power, power that is rightly possessed. (NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 61)

Exousia –authority, right, liberty; ability, capability; supernatural power; ruling power, government, official; jurisdiction (Act 5:4). (The Greek New Testament Dictionary, Page 65)

Ang Authority (Key) sa Isa. 22:21-22 ay ipinasa sa ibaà Si Shebna ay ang may hawak sa KEY at ipinasa ito kay Eliakim. Ito po ang magsilbing reference po natin sa tungkol sa hawak na KEYS ni San. Pedro.

Sa Mat. 16:18-19 si San Pedro ay may KEYS (Authority) Ibig Sabihin nito na si San Pedro ay may kapangyarihan sa Iglesia, pamahalaan ang Iglesia at pamunuan ang buong Iglesia.

Sa nakita natin sa itaas; umamin na po si Brad Henry na ang ibig sabihin ng KEYS ay AUTHORITY. Dahil sa kanya pong statement ay para na hong idenepensa niya ang claim ng Catholic Church hingil sa Apostolic Succession. Sa madaling salita para hong iginisa po siya sa kanyang sariling mantika. Dahil ang Apostolic Succession ay ang pag-pasa ng Authority ng mga Apostol sa mga Obispo, at pagpasa ng Authority ni San Pedro sa Obispo ng Roma o ang Santo Papa My Catholic Faith (3rd Edition Page 97); Catholic Catechism (Revised Edition) By: Fr. M. Gusman #142.

Sa Mat. 16:18-19 ang Authority o ang pamamahala diyan ay sa Iglesia.

Sa Isa. 22:21-22 ang Authority o ang pamamahala diyan ay sa old Davidic kingdom.

Ang Iglesia ang New Davidic Kingdom at si San Pedro ang itinalaga bilang isang pinuno dahil sya lang ang may hawak ng susi. Toong ang mga apostol ay may ay may kapangyarihang “binding and loosing” at doctrina ito ng Santa Iglesia Catolica. Wala pong basihan ang sinasabi ni brad Henry na “..dito rin sa verse na ito..ano mang iyong taliaan sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit..ang pagkakamali nyo ay kala nyo kay peter lang ngunit ang authority na ito ay sa lahat ng apostol..mat.18:18” WALA PONG DOCTRINA ANG SANTA IGLESIA NA SI SAN PEDRO LANG ANG MAY AUTHORITY. Ang pahayag ng Santa Iglesia Catolica ay lahat ng mga apostol ay may Authority pero si San Pedro lamang ang may hawak ng susi—ibig sabihin siya lang ang may kapangyarihang mag BIND sa nai-LOOSE ng mga Apostol; at mag LOOSE sa nai-BIND ng mga Apostol. Sa madaling salita ang Authority ni San Pedro ay mas makapangyarihan kaysa sa mga Apostol.

Tanong ni Brad Henry “bakit masyado ninyong itinatangi si pedro?” Itinatangi namin si San Pedro sapagkat ang siya ang may pinakamakapangyarihang authority (na bigay ni Cristo) kaysa sa mga Apostol. Narito ang mga Ibidensya:

Mat. 16:18-19. Si San Pedro lang ang may susi sa lahat ng mga Apostol. Siya ay may kapangyarihang mag BIND sa nai-LOOSE ng mga Apostol; at mag LOOSE sa nai-BIND ng mga Apostol.

John 21:15-17 “So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. {21:16} He saith to him again the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. {21:17} He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. {21:18} Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not. {21:19} This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.” –Si San Pedro ang itinalaga bilang pastol sa mga pastol at karnero; Obispo sa mga Obispo at kawan; tagabantay sa mga taga bantay at kawan at nag silbing leader (chief) sa mga leaders at members ng Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo.

Luke 22:31-32 “And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat: {22:32} But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” – Si San Pedro ang itinalaga ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo para mag sibling tagapag patatag (strengthen) sa lahat ng mga Apostol.

PETER (Gr. Petros, rock) the most prominent of the 12 apostles in the Gospels and an outstanding leader in the early Christian church. NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 448

PETER, St (d. 64-67), chief of the 12 Apostles, brother of St. Andrew. He was originally called Simon but Jesus gave him the Aramaic name “KEPHA”, meaning rock, translated into Greek as “Petros”. The New Webster Dictionary of the English Language (International Edition)- Page 751

Sa nasambit po natin sa itaas napatunayan po natin na ang mga Apostol ay may kahalili sa kanilang Authority, at ito ay ang mga Obispo.

Napatunayan rin natin na si San Pedro ang may mas pinaka mataas na Authority na bigay ng Diyos.

Ang lahat ng katanungan at accusation na itinira ni brad Henry sa Santa Iglesia Catolica ay nasagot po lahat.

Coming soon: Reply from Henry Arganda (Member PMCC 4thwatch) #2

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