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“ABORTION Dialogue”

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on February 18, 2009



All the Animals shown above are protected by laws of the United States except the Human Child in the Womb. This is essentially incompatible with the Catholic Faith. [The photo is taken from the Blog of Steve Ray.]
Last week I received a message in the comment section about my earlier post on the Victory of Life and of the Sanctity of Marriage:
The sender seemed to be a priest yet decided to remain anonymous. Here is the messages exchange between us:
Anonymous said… Dear Father Abe,I think Barack Obama is a great president and we don’t have to judge him just because of the issue of the abortion. The mystery of life is greater than that. I thank God every day when I celebrate Mass that he was chosen to guide and enlighten the American people. May God Bless Obama and America. February 3, 2009 8:15 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said… Dear Anonymous,Based on your letter you are a priest. Are you a Catholic priest?Now, I am not judging Barrack Obama. I am one of those who rejoiced with his election as the First Black President of the most powerful nation on earth. I recognize what is good with Obama but I also have to reject what is not good in him.On the other hand, ABORTION IS EVIL BECAUSE IT IS A MURDER OF INNOCENT AND HELPLESS CHILDREN. It is barbaric and inhuman. It’s not even worthy on the level of the animals because Chicken, Eagles, Dogs, etc. are protective of their young. Therefore, your claim that the Mystery of Life is greater than Abortion doesn’t hold water. The Mystery of Life is that GOD GIVES LIFE. He doesn’t kill. Abortion is evil because it destroys life at its initial stage. It is equal with the brutality of Herod.YOUR POSITION IS NOT CATHOLIC. IF YOU ARE A ROMAN CATHOLIC BY HOLDING THAT VIEW ON ABORTION YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE MEREST CHILDREN AND A TRAITOR TO THE OFFICIAL TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.THE RIGHT TO LIFE IS THE FIRST RIGHT OF MAN. BY DESTROYING THAT RIGHT WHAT WILL BECOME OF US? WE HAVE RIGHTS FOR MONKEYS, FOR PETS, FOR COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS EVEN GIVING THEM LEGAL PERSONALITIES. I CANNOT IN CONSCIENCE AND IN FAITH ACCEPT ABORTION. IT IS INHUMAN, UNBIBLICAL, UNCHRISTIAN, UNCATHOLIC AND UNANIMAL. February 3, 2009 9:19 AM

Anonymous said… Dear Father, you call me a traitor and you want to be a “Defensor Fidei”. However, you like Harry Potter and in this way you don’t follow the teachings of our beloved Pope Benedict xvi as he wrote 6 years ago:Vatican CityMarch 7, 2003 Esteemed and dear Ms. Kuby!Many thanks for your kind letter of February 20th and the informative book which you sent me in the same mail. It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly.I would like to suggest that you write to Mr. Peter Fleetwood, (Pontifical Council of Culture, Piazza S. Calisto 16, I00153 Rome) directly and to send him your book.Sincere Greetings and Blessings,+ Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger February 8, 2009 12:33 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said… Dear Anonymous,SO, you are accepting the opinion of Cardinal Ratzinger on Harry Potter yet you are favoring ABORTION which is condemned by all Popes in numerous OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS OF THE CHURCH. In my presentation of Harry Potter, I categorically expressed the evil of Sorcery and Witchcraft and Superstitious Beliefs and Divinations as contrary to the CAtholic Faith. I simply read the Harry Potter in the perspective of a story based on struggle between Good and Evil just like the Star Wars and the Lord of the Rings.However, your support of ABORTION IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL AND THAT IS DIRECT TREACHERY AGAINST THE FAITH. If the Holy Father or the Holy See will release an official declaration or an Encyclical prohibiting the Harry Potter novels then I will burn all of them in obedience to the Vicar of Christ.ABORTION IS UNACCEPTABLE IN THE CHURCH and it is unacceptable here. You see, you cannot even give your identity because it will put you into the attention of the hierarchy of the Church.You are seeing a feeble in the Harry Potter but the huge mountain of Abortion you are denying.Im not angry at you personally but I am simply surprised that Abortion has found a refuge in you. I hope and pray that you are not one of its proponents.I didn’t call you a traitor. I simply stated that as a Roman Catholic one is a traitor if he holds Abortion. Now, do you support Abortion? If you do not then you are not a traitor. If you do then you are a traitor. If you want to see all the Biblical citations and Patristics and Papal teachings against abortions then read EVANGELIUM VITAE [THE GOSPEL OF LIFE] — the Encyclical of POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT.I do hope that you are a faithful Catholic. Let us join hands in combatting the evil of Abortion and let us join hands combatting the evil of witchcraft and sorcery. February 8, 2009 10:35 AM

Anonymous said… Dear father, why do we base our faith and catholicity on one issue, such as abortion.It was never the test case for orthodox belief or morality till very recently. The Church settled the fundamentals of faith early on with the Nicene Creed and the Apostle’s Creed. Those were the agreed upon test questions. They were the bottom line for the first 2000 years. When and why did that change so that I am called a “Traitor”? February 9, 2009 9:15 AM
Dear Anonymous,

The Deposit of the Faith is composed of Faith and Morals. The articles of Faith are contained in the 12 major Articles in Nicene Creed. The Moral Teachings of the Church are based on the 10 Commandments and elucidated further by Sacred Scriptures, Apostolic Witness, Patristic Sources and the Magisterial Teachings of the Popes throughout the centuries.
“You shall not procure ABORTION, nor destroy a new-born child.” [Didache #2]
“Thou shalt not doubt whether a thing shall be or not be. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain. Thou shalt love thy neighbor more than thine own soul. Thou shalt not murder a child by abortion, nor again shalt thou kill it when it is born. Thou shalt not withhold thy hand from thy son or daughter, but from their youth thou shalt teach them the fear of God.” [Epistle of Barnabas 19:5]
If a woman conceives in adultery and then has an abortion, she may not commune again, even as death approaches, because she has sinned twice.” [Council of Elvira c. 306 Canon #63]
This command from some of the earliest documents of the Church arising from Apostolic Era and the succeeding centuries is absolutely based on Sacred Scriptures. Killing of Innocent Child in the womb is a violation of the Divine Command ‘You shall not kill’. From Old Testament this is already clear:
Ex 21:22-25 22 “If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [a Miscarriage] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Imagine that. How much more the intentional killing of the child in the womb. The declaration of love, blessing and protection of the unborn is superflously given in the Sacred Scriptures that only those who reject the authority of the Word of God and the Official Interpretation of the Church will teach the contrary:
Psalm 22:10 From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God. [It is obvious that the God of the Children in the Womb and the god of the pro Abortion is different.]
Psalm 71:6 From birth I have relied on you; you brought me forth from my mother’s womb. I will ever praise you. [How about changing it to ‘From my mother’s womb you aborted me intentionally’ against the will of my God who loves me.]
Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. [How about ‘While my God was knitting me in the womb you murdered me, killed me with clinical instruments’]
Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. [Obviously the child in the womb is the weakest human person.]
Isaiah 44:2 This is what the LORD says— He who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, O Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. [The Lord is forming in the womb the abortionists kill what the Lord is forming.]
Isaiah 49:1 Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the LORD called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name.
Isaiah 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. [There are people who are worst than animals who forget the child in the womb.]
Jeremiah 1:4-5 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. [The abortionists mush have killed future prophets, doctors, teachers, priests and nuns and even saints in the babies they aborted.]


Luke 1:15 For he [St. John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb. [The grace of God is given to human person beginning from the mother’s womb.]
Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. [The child John the Baptist honored the presence of the Lord Jesus even from his mother’s womb. Every pregnant woman when checked by the doctor is found having a living being pulsating inside their womb.]
The Word of God is solid in its defense of the Dignity and Value of human life from Conception to Natural Death. This is proclaimed by the Patriarchs and Prophets and by Apostles and Evangelists. As St. Paul testified:
Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, [a] and who called me by his grace [Footnotes: Galatians 1:15 Greek set me apart from my mother’s womb]
The entire Sacred Scriptures cry out to each one of us to love, protect, defend and serve life. The first destroyer of life is Abortion and therefore there is no middle ground in this case. We either take the side of Life by rejecting it or we take the side of Evil by supporting it.
Dear Anonymous, you keep on insisting that I called you a ‘Traitor’. Please read our exchanges carefully. I didn’t refer to your person as a traitor, how can I? I do not even know your name. How can I pinpoint on someone whose identity is hidden in the dark. There are so many people sending messages here anonymously. I respect them but I do not hesitate to oppose or argue on something that is contrary to the Faith. Abortion is essentially contrary to the Faith and Morals of the Catholic Church. I refer to those who are advocating Abortion as traitors and have invited you to join us opposing it. Instead, of accepting my invitation you appear to be upset that I called you a ‘Traitor’. Well, IF INDEED YOU ARE A CATHOLIC PRIEST and PRO ABORTION I REALLY WANT TO CALL YOU A TRAITOR. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL AND MAY THE SOULS OF THE MURDERED-ABORTED CHILDREN INTERCEDE FOR YOUR SOUL BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF GOD.
If you will read the Introduction of the Gospel, it is a proclaimation of the Birth of a Child by whom Salvation comes. The Angels and the Saints rejoiced at His Birth and since then it has created Glad Tidings to all People of Good Will. Then the forces of evil works so hard to destroy and kill that Child. The last Book of the Bible, The Book of Revelation declares that the Red Dragon who is Satan was trying with all his might to devour the Child in the Womb of the Woman Clothed with the Sun [Rev 12:4] but God worked miracles to protect the Child and His Mother Mary. That DRAGON is the progenitor of Abortion. It came from Satan [Rev 12:9] the Deceiver of Mankind, the ancient Serpent who poisoned our First Parents. The Abortionists are agents of death and the supporters of such evil are the same whether they are aware of it or not. Abortion is evil and we cannot accept it. That is the reason why the most beloved icon in the Catholic Church is that of Madonna and Child. The Lord of Life gave us Salvation because He became a Child and that the Blessed Mother accepted Him in love as her Son.
It is true that Abortion is only one of the issues in Faith and Morals but it is Essential. That is why those who procure Abortions and participated in its realization automatically earn Latae Sententiae Excommunication.
ARE YOU REALLY A CATHOLIC PRIEST? I have a strong doubt if you really are because you seem to be ignorant of the reasons of the Church against Abortion. To say that it is simply a recent issue smacks of basic ignorance that is unworthy of any Catholic priests all of whom studied Catholic Ethics and Morally for several years.
I want to conclude this post with this powerful words:
Those who hold the reins of government should not forget that it is the duty of public authority … to defend the lives of the innocent … among whom we must mention in the first place infants hidden in the mother’s womb. And if the public magistrates … do not defend them, but by their laws and ordinances betray them to death at the hands of doctors and others, let them remember that God is the Judge and Avenger of innocent blood which cries from earth to heaven (POPE PIUS XI, Casti Connubii No. 67).



4 Responses to ““ABORTION Dialogue””

  1. Abortion is one of the most serious moral problems of our generation, and it is beyond anyone’s imagination as to in which direction it will lead us.

    Johnson C. Philip, PhD (Physics)

  2. Dear Dr. J.C. Philip,

    I am Rev. Fr. Abe Arganiosa, CRS of The Splendor of the Church Blog the original home of the post. I am the priest arguing against abortion in the post above. Thank you very much for sharing to us your position against abortion. Coming from a man of your calibre it means a lot because the pro-Abortions are depicting the Pro-Lifers as ignorant lot.

    God bless you.

    I also want to thank Bro. G-One Paisones for posting this post in this Blog.

    In Jesus and Mary,

    Fr. Abe, CRS

  3. catholicfaithdefender said

    Dear Fr. Abe

    Thank you very much for your articles..


  4. catholicfaithdefender said

    Dear Johnson C. Philip,



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