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CFD (Ryan Mejillano) vs Kinawawang INC (Julius Cutin)

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on November 17, 2012

CFD (Ryan Mejillano) vs Kinawawang INC (Julius Cutin)

Tingnan po naman ninyo ang isa nanamang kinawawang Ministro ng INC-Manalo laban sa ating kapatid na si Bro. Ryan Mejillano ng Catholic Faith Defenders.
This four-part video is the supposed discussion turned debate between CFD Bro. Ryan and Minister Julius Cutin of INC(Manalo), Locale of Mintal, District of Davao. It was initiated by the INC (of Manalo) to trap Bro. Ryan thinking that the latter was just a petty and mediocre Catholic Christian. This happened at the residence of an INC member who was very desiroua few months before to engage Bro. Ryan in a debate with another INC (of Manalo) Minister.

Please notice the difference between a Catholic Christian and Iglesia Ni Cristo (Ni Manalo). Notice how an INC Minister delivers his part, his speeches, how he evades from the main topic that was agreed, how he first use foul words from the start to the end of these four videos.

Enjoy and reflect.

Sancta Maria, ora pro nobis.

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A Friendly Reply to the INC-Manalo Member

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on August 14, 2009

A Friendly Reply to the INC-Manalo Member

 

jheff
jheff.20@yahoo.com
222.127.47.110

 

Submitted on 2009/05/26 at 1:18pm

pwede po ba bago kayo magsalita ng kung ano ano about INC.. na di niyo naman po alam ..
tignan nyo muna .. suriin nyo muna kung ano tlaga ang nasa loob at aral ng iglesia ni cristo.
salamat po.

 

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jheff
jheff.20@yahoo.com
222.127.47.110

 

Submitted on 2009/05/26 at 1:21pm

kahit sino naman po .. kahit anong relihiyon mo .. welcome naman po kayo .. sa kahit saang local po ng iglesia ni cristo..

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catholicfaithdefender
philans_57cdo@yahoo.com
203.177.91.195

 

Submitted on 2009/08/14 at 10:18am

Bro Jeff,

Salamat sa comento mo, alam mo ikaw pa ang mabait na INC-Manalo na nag comento sa aming site…
At sa ulit maraming salamat sa iyong kabaitan…

Bro… alam na namin ang mga aral ninyo at hindi na kailangan suriin pa namin ang aral niyo…

ang totoo niyan ikaw ang kailangan sumuri o mag siyasat sa tunay na aral ng Katoliko, dahil puro lang ataki o mga negatibo ang alam mo tungkol sa Santa Iglesia Catolica dahil yan ang pan doctrina ninyo…

Bro, wag mung isara ang pintuan ng iyong kaluluwa….

Sa tingin mo ba totoo ang sinabi ng mga Ministro na Tumalikod ang Unang Iglesia na itinatag ni Cristo???
Eh ikaw, tanongin mo ang sarili mo kung sino ang nagsasabi ng totoo:
Ang mga Ministro ba na nagsasabi na tumalikod o si Cristo na nagsabing Sasamahan Niya ito hanggang sa Katapusan ng Mundo…*Mat. 28:19-20

Bro, isang cetas lang yan ng Biblia, peru pag bukas ang loob mo na suriin ang katotohanan; ang isang cetas ng Bibliyang gamit ko ay parang isang palito ng posporo na may mumunting ilaw peru ito ang ilaw na mag silbing simula sa tamang aral ni Cristo.

Regards,

G-one Paisones

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jheff
jheff.20@yahoo.com
222.127.47.110

 

Submitted on 2009/06/12 at 1:14pm

wag naman po kayo magsalita ng di naman totoo. ayan po ang hirap satin eh .. pintas kau ng pintas .. di nyo naman po tlga alam kung ano ang iglesia ni cristo.. hindi po namumulitika ang iglesia at di rin po kami nang aabuso at kung ano2 pa ..
maharil ang mga nabasa mo po ay isang kasiraan po sa amin ..
subukan mo pong pumasok o mag suri sa iglesia upang mapatunayan mo po ang kung alin po talaga ang totoo.. kahit sino naman po welcome sa lahat po ng local po ng iglesia ni cristo..
salamat po..

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catholicfaithdefender
philans_57cdo@yahoo.com
203.177.91.195

 

Submitted on 2009/08/14 at 10:26am

Bro jheff,

Sa binisaya pa ayaw baliha (Sa tagalog: wag mong baliktarin)…. Kame ba ang namimintas sa inyong mga INC-manalo?? Namimintas ba kami kay Manalo?? Namimintas ba kami sa mga Ministro???

O baka kayo ang namimintas sa mga Katoliko, Mga Pari at sa Santo Papa….

Bro, nag umpisa akong bumasa ng Pasugo noong Grade 5 palang ako, at sa nabasa ko puro Pintas lang ang nasaloob nito… Mga aral ng Iglesia Catolica….kaya doon rin mismo isinabi ko sa Sarili ko, eh sino ba ang sumasagot sa mga pintas ng mga INC-manalo??? Wala po akong sagot sa sarili kong tanong kaya, nag desisyon ako na maging isang Catholic Faith Defender para maging tagasagot sa mga ataki ng INC-manalo….

OO!!! ang pasugo ang Dahilan na akoy naging CFD ngayon…. Kung wala pang nang aaliposta sa Iglesia Catolica, ano na kaya ang buhay ko ngayon???? Kaya Bro. Jeff, wag mong baliktarin….

Salamat

Regards,

G-one

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THE TRUE CHURCH

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on April 28, 2009

MARKS OF THE TRUE CHRUCH

Posted By: Bro.Ryan and Sis. Grace

How do we know which the one true church establishes by the Church?

1. By the marks of the church we mean certain clear signs by which all me can recognize it as the true church founded by Jesus Christ.

2.  It is important that we know which is the church established by Christ, in order that we may obey it, as God commands. Then shall we also be certain what to believe and do in order to be saved.

3. The true Church must be that which Christ personally founded, and the apostles propagated. It must have existed continuously since the time of Christ. It must teach in their entirely all the doctrines commanded by the Divine Founder while He was still on earth; and all its members must profess those fundamental doctrines.

4. The True Church must be a visible organization, discernable and discoverable, evidently existing, with clear marks or signs distinguishing it as the Church of Christ.

The chief marks of the Church:

One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic

ONE

1. Christ intended His church to be one; therefore the true Church must be one. (Mark 3:24)

HOLY

2. Christ intended His Church to be Holy ;( John 17:17-19)

CATHOLIC

3. Christ intended His Church to be universal, that is Catholic; and therefore the True Church must be Universal Catholic.(Matt.18:19)

APOSTOLIC

4. Christ intended His Church to be propagated by His Apostles. (Matt.16:18)

We Prove that the True Church of Christ-is the Catholic Church Because:

1.Only the Catholic Church possesses the marks of the Church established by Christ. That is, Unity, Holiness, Catholicity and Apostolicity.

2.only the Catholic Church throughout its history gives evidence of miraculous strength, permanence, and unchangeableness in its doctrine.

3. Only the Catholic Church has proved itself indestructible for almost two thousand years.  Against  every variety and number of formidable enemies.

4. Only the Catholic Church suffered from persecution and outside attacks and from schism and heresy within its ranks, yet still lives after 2,000 years.

5. Only the Catholic Church has proved itself an exception to the law of decay and death. It has watched the birth and decay of every government on earth for almost two thousand years. In spite  of corruption and persecution, in spite of the combined forces of error and evil, after every attack the Catholic Church rises as the Bride of Christ, ever fresh and fair.

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“Catholic Church ay Huwad sa Kanila, e di Huwad ang Biblia”

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on March 16, 2009

“Catholic Church ay Huwad sa Kanila, e di Huwad ang Biblia”


Author : dhugz (IP: 64.255.180.38 , r02-06.opera-mini.net)
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Comment:
Mga bro, nalulungkot ako sa mga nagsusulputang mga sekta ngayon. . . Hindi nila alam ang mga sinasabi nila at ang mga totoong doktrina mula nung kapanahunan ni Cristo. Unang una sa lahat ang Bibliya ay binuo ng mga paring katoliko, e ang basehan nila ng kanilang doktrina ay ang bibliya mismo. Dahil sa ganang kanila pagkamatay ng mga apostol, ang Catholic Church ay nakaranas ng total apostasy pagkatapos ng First Century. .

Tapos na ang debate sa kanila, bakit? Kung ang Catholic Church ay huwad sa kanila, e di huwad ang bibliyang gamit nila ngayon. Dahil wala pang bibliya nung 1st century, matagal ng patay ang mga apostol at dumaan ang hundreds of years bago nabuo ng Catholic Church ang Bibliya. . . . .

The Codex Vaticanus

Sa mga kapatid na katoliko kung may umakay o mangaral sa inyo tungkol daw sa katotohanan, gamitin lang natin ang argumentong aking sinabi sapagkat para sakin sapat na iyon upang matigilan sila. Dahil kung kukunin at makipagpaliwanagan tayo sa kanila base sa kanilang mga piniling texto sa bibliya na ayon kuno sa kanilang aral. . .

The Bible is a Catholic Property in the sense that our Church compiled it! Now, Martin Luther rejected the deuterocanonical books that which are included by the Canon of Scripture in the Bible, thus their bible Contains 66books. Honestly, kung binawasan natin ang original na Bibliya ay hindi na iyon Bibliya . . . . . . .

The Divine Master teaching in the Synagogue

Ang lahat ng ito ay nangyayari, ang pagsulpot ng mga bulaang propeta, mga ibang Cristo o magtuturo ng ibang Jesus mula sa Turo ng Simbahan atbp. . . Dahil lahat ng iyon ay kelangang mangyari upang matupad ang mga hula ng Bibliya at Upang lalong Mapatunayan na ang Catholic Church ay ang true Christ’s Church. . . .Amen!

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BRO. MARS ANSWERS RODIMUS OF THE BEREANS

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on March 3, 2009

BRO. MARS ANSWERS RODIMUS OF THE BEREANS


Since Rodimus of the Bereans published in his blog his email to me, an otherwise private communication, it behooves me to publicly post my response as well. Below is my answer to his questions. Rodimus’ words are in red while mine are in black.

Dear Atty. Llasos:

Greetings!

I am one of the moderators in the discussion forums of the Bereans Apologetics and Research Ministry (BARM).  My codename is Rodimus but you can call me by my real first name, Gerald.  I have actually communicated with your teammates in Defensores Fidei Foundation like Mr. Henry Siy, Mr. Carlos Palad, and Mr. Dick Boncan.  You may ask them of me.

Thank you for your private email last December 1, 2008.

I wrote to state my comments in your blog concerning Mary’s Perptual Virginity but focusing on your response on the Greek terminologies adelphos and anepsios as used in the Bible.

The subject of your email was “Perpetual Virginity – A Response.” Your email actually was more of a query rather than a response. In fact, you merely asked me about the use of “adelphos” and “anepsios” in the Bible.

It seems to me that you evangelicals have the questions while we Catholics have the answers.

But before I continue, I would like to first inform you that BARM does not endorse the book of Mr. Anthony Pezzotta against Roman Catholicism.  Personally, I have not read his book.  However, I share in his belief that after Christ was born, Mary had other children.  Let’s now proceed:

In your email, you informed me that the Bereans Apologetics and Research Ministry (Bereans) does not endorse the book of Mr. Pezzotta against Roman Catholicism. You even told me that you have not even read his book. You did not tell me the reason why Bereans does not endorse the book of Mr. Pezzotta.

Nevertheless, you were categorical in saying that you share Mr. Pezzotta’s belief that after Christ was born, Mary had other children.

Mr. Pezzotta is not the first person to hold that view. Several others way, way before him also believed that Mary had other children after Christ’s birth. These were the Antidicomarianites, the Ebionites, certain Arians, Eudocius, Eunomius and Helvidius. You can learn about them from church history and the writings of the early church fathers.

On the other hand, early Christians like Origen (AD 248), Hilary of Poitiers (AD 354), Athanasius (360), Epiphanius of Salamis (AD 374), Didymus the Blind (AD 386),
Ambrose of Milan (AD
388), Pope Siricius I (AD 392), Jerome (AD 420), Leporius (AD 426), Augustine (AD 428), Cyril of Alexandria (AD 430) and Pope Leo I (AD 450) believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.

You must have also known that the reformers like Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli believed in Mary’s perpetual virginity. Catholics are in synch with what the Christians – the early church fathers and classical reformers – believed for centuries long, long before you were born.

Please note that the early Christians and the reformers have read the same Bible as you do. In fact, the church fathers (especially those from the East) must have read the New Testament in the original Greek. Yet, they don’t share your conclusion that Mary had other children aside from Our Lord.

In your email, you pleaded me to “let the Bible speak for itself.” By all means.

You contended that “after Christ was born, Mary had other children.” Let us now allow the Bible to speak for itself. You have to show me the verse in the Bible that specifically says that “after Christ was born, Mary had other children.” You have to tell me, based on the Bible, how soon after Christ was born did Mary give birth to her next child.

Let me now answer your questions:

1. I often quote Matthew 13:55 and other similar verses to prove that Mary had other children.

Your reliance on Matthew 13:55 and “other similar verses” (you did not give them) to prove that Mary had other children are inconclusive on the matter. Evangelical David Gustafson said: “I admit that the Gospel accounts are not absolutely decisive on this point” [Dwight Longenecker and David Gustafson, Mary – A Catholic-Evangelical Debate (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Brazos Press, 2003) p. 69]. Hence, if the Gospel accounts (like Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3) are not absolutely decisive (as admitted even by your fellow evangelical) on whether Mary had other children, then you have to show me verses that are absolutely decisive on the matter. I have always insisted that you show me verses in the Bible that say that “Mary had other children aside from Jesus” and “Mary is the mother of the brothers and sisters of Jesus.” These, I believe, would be absolutely decisive on the matter.

I know about the Roman Catholic defense about the Jews having the same Hebrew terminology for brother and relatives, ach.

Good for you! At least it shows that you are researching on the Roman Catholic defense. As I pointed out to Dr. Pezzotta (which you omitted in your quote), “[t]he word “brother” or “sister” was a common Hebrew expression which had an encompassing meaning. There was no term for cousins in Hebrew. They were only “ach” (Hebrew) or “ah” (Aramaic) which refers to brothers, cousins, close relatives or kinsman.”

We know very well that the New Testament was written in Greek and adelphos is the term they use to refer to a brother while anepsios for relatives.

In the New Testament, which was written in Greek, adelphos is the term used for “brother.” But “brother” refers to so many things, not just siblings. Hence, your statement is inaccurate.

You also demonstrated ignorance of Biblical Greek when you said that anepsios is used for relatives. If you researched a little bit more, you could have easily ascertained that anepsios literally means cousin and not relative. Also, you would have known that the Greek for relative or kinsman is suggenis.

Despite the Greek word used and the context, you still contend that it is not referring to uterine brothers.

I already explained that the Greek word used, adelphos, refers to so many things. That Greek word has various meanings and cannot be restricted to uterine brothers (siblings) alone. My contention is that the word “brother” is not always referring to uterine brothers. I think that you agree with me because in your conclusion you categorically admitted –

I do agree that the word brother does have a lot of meanings in the Bible.  But, we simply cannot pick one definition because it suits our beliefs.  Let the Bible speak for itself.

It is you who are picking one definition over the others because it suits your beliefs.

What exactly is the context of Matthew 13:55-56 which you did not bother to explain?

My understanding of the context of the pericope in Mathew 13:55-56 and its parallel in Mark 6:3 is as what R.T. France puts it: “To the people of Nazareth, Jesus is the local boy, and they know of no reason why he should have turned out to be any different from the rest of his family” [The Gospel of Mark: A Commentary on the Greek Text, New International Greek Testament Commentary (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 2002) p. 242].

Prof. Tim Perry likewise states:

The simplest understanding is best. Jesus is “the carpenter, the son of Mary,” a local manual laborer whose father had died some years back. We may paraphrase their exclamation to reflect its small-town gossipy nature: “Who is this guy? Is he not the carpenter? You know, Mary’s boy?” The description says little about Mary …” [Tim Perry, Mary for Evangelicals (Downer’s Grove, Illinois: Inter Varsity Press, 2006) p. 38].

You argued:

It should be borne in mind that it is part of the culture in Palestine even to this day that people who are related by blood live in a given community. They practice communal living (“kibbutz” system).

The Evangelists and other New Testament writers simply wrote down the common expression of the Jews. They had the Jewish mindset although they wrote in Greek. In other words, the Evangelists were using the common parlance among the Jews at that time. Jesus, James, Joses, Judas and Simon simply called each other “ah.” They knew that Jesus was an only child and assumed every body else knew.

Indeed, I provided the cultural note above. If you don’t agree with that, please show me proofs to the contrary. Prove to me that –

1. It is not part of the culture in Palestine even to this day that people who are related by blood live in a given community;

2. That the people in Palestine do not practice communal living (“kibbutz” system);

3. The Evangelists and other New Testament writers did not simply write down the common expression of the Jews;

4. That they did not have the Jewish mindset although they wrote in Greek;

5. The Evangelists were not using the common parlance among the Jews at that time;

6. That Jesus, James, Joses, Judas and Simon did not simply call each other “ah;”

7. That the Evangelists and New Testament writers did not know that Jesus was an only child and assumed every body else knew.

You that you did not deny, much less refute, the cultural note that I provided. Instead, you said –

If your argument is based on the kibbutz system, then Matthew left something out in 13:55 and 56?  It mentions Christ’s parents and proceeds to detail his supposedly cousins.  If neighbor’s account of Christ’s family was indeed based on communal living like you theorized, how come the parents of James, Joses, Judas, Simon and the sisters are not mentioned?  Did the neighbor who questioned (sic) Jesus forget about Cleophas and his wife Mary whom you said are the parents of James and Joses?  It’s a bit illogical to mention Christ’s parents and then proceed immediately to cousins by overlooking the parents of those cousins who are supposed to be in the kibbutz system.

I said that people [in Palestine] who are related by blood live in a given community. Do you object to Mary, Jesus, James, Joses, Judas and Simon living in the same community? Where else would they have lived?

The parents of James, Joses, Judas as well as the sisters of Jesus are not mentioned because it is not necessary to do so. If Matthew left them out, it simply means that it was not his intention to list down all the relatives of Jesus who lived in the same community as His. Matthew was not doing a census of all those who lived in Jesus’ community! It sufficed for Matthew (as well as for Jesus’ neighbors Matthew quoted) to name at least some of Jesus close relatives who were at least clearly identified with Him (perhaps belonging to the same age group). If indeed it was the intention of Jesus’ neighbors (and Matthew) to name each and every relative of Jesus, they should have named his sisters as well. These sisters have never been identified. Why have they been left out if the purpose Matthew was to detail or enumerate all the members of Christ’s family? Have the neighbors of Jesus forgotten their names? Did they also forget the name of Joseph, the Lord’s putative father?

For not mentioning the name of Cleophas and his wife Mary, the parents of James and Joses, did the neighbor of Jesus forget them? Not necessarily. It was not their intention to mention or enumerate every Tom, Dick and Harry in Jesus’ family tree. If they did not bother to mention the names of Joseph and the sisters of Jesus, then it would be expecting them too much to mention Jesus uncles and aunts. In that case, you would have to amend Matthew 13:55-56, thus: “Isn’t this the son of Joseph the carpenter? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his bother James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Isn’t Cleophas his uncle and Mary his aunt? Isn’t not Joachim his grandfather and Anna his grandmother? Aren’t all his sisters Aida, Lorna and Fe with us? Where did this man get all these things.”

You argued that “it’s a bit illogical to mention Christ’s parents and then proceed immediately to cousins by overlooking the parents of those cousins who are supposed to be in the kibbutz system.” Where’s the illogicality there? What canon of logic has been violated? As already stated, it was not the intention of Jesus neighbors to list all the possible relatives of Jesus but just a representative of them, those that Our Lord may have been best identified with. Jesus’ neighbors were not taking a roll call or doing a census.

To follow your line of reasoning, it is even more “illogical” to mention first Christ’s “cousins” (James and Joses) before His real “brothers” or siblings. If at least the first two of the so-called “brothers” of Jesus are actually his cousins, your contention that all the “brothers” of Christ in Matthew 13:55-56 are His siblings is severely diluted, nay refuted.

2. Moving on, one of my tendencies (sic) to quote Paul for using anepsios in Colossians 4:10 to say that the NT writers in fact made a distinction between siblings and relatives despite of their audience …

Again, your ignorance of Greek shows. Anepsios literally means cousin and not relative. The Greek word for relative is suggenis and not anepsios. That you made this blunder twice in your email indicates the very low quality of your research.

Granting that your translation of Greek is correct (that anepsios indeed translates to relatives), you made a sweeping statement and hasty generalization when you argued that Paul’s use of anepsios in Colossians 4:10 proves that “the NT writers” (plural) “made a distinction between siblings and relatives despite of their audience.”

Can you explain grammatically why one person (singular) could qualify as “New Testament writers” (plural)?

… but you had this argument:

It should be borne in mind that it is only in Colossians 4:10 that the word anepsios is used. Remember that the Epistle to the Colossians was written by the Apostle Paul, a Jew from Tarsus (Acts 21:39, 22:3) who was in fact a Roman citizen (Acts 22:25 -29). The Apostle Paul wrote to the Colossians (who were certainly not Jews but Gentiles) in their own Greek language.

The Jews, unlike the Greeks, use circumlocution to express their idea or concept of cousin for the simple reason that they have no word for cousin.

I made those observations. Which of these do you find incorrect or objectionable:

1. Anepsios is used only in Colossians 4:10;

2. The Epistle to the Colossians was written by the Apostle Paul;

3. Paul was a Jew from Tarsus (Acts 21:39; 22:3);

4. Paul was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:25-29);

5. The Colossians were not Jews but Gentiles;

6. Paul wrote to them in their own Greek language;

7. The Jews, unlike the Greeks, use circumlocution to express their idea or concept of cousin;

8. The Jews have no word for cousin.

Which of the foregoing is wrong?

I also note that you chopped off the remainder of my paragraph where I gave an example of circumlocution in Leviticus 25:49 which mentions “uncle’s son” instead of cousin. In the following paragraph, I cited Acts 23:16 which mentions “Paul sister’s son” instead of “Paul’s nephew.” Also, in Judges 9:3 I noted that “mother’s brethren” is mentioned instead of “uncles” and “aunts.”

As I understood it, you argue that if the NT writers are speaking to Jews they use circumlocution, while not so if speaking to Gentiles.

As you understood it! Well, your understanding is WRONG! If you’ve only read my statement carefully, there is nothing there that says that when the NT writers are speaking to the Jews they use circumlocution while not so if speaking to Gentiles. Your assumption is simply false.

Since your understanding is wrong, then all your conclusions are wrong.

For me, your argument has gone too far to the point of being biased.

That is your opinion. Your accusation that I am biased has no leg to stand on because you started from the wrong premise.

I don’t think you will be consistent when your theory is compared with other verses.

This is already nonsense considering that you started from erroneous premise. Since the water cannot rise higher than its source, perforce all the rest of your arguments are wrong.

If I were to quote Galatians 1:19 which says: But I did not see any other of the apostles, only James the brother (adelphos) of the Lord, how come Paul made use of adelphos instead of anepsios to the Greek-speaking Galatians? Why only to the Colossians did Paul make use of anepsios?

Because James has been known in the early Church as the “brother of the Lord” and there was no need or reason for Paul to change that appellation. Moreover, my reading of early Church history yields no indication that the early Christians understood James’ title of “brother of the Lord” to mean sibling [cf. Eusebius, The History of the Church (London: Penguin Books, 1989) pp. 30, 35-36, 107].

The reference to James as adelphos of the Lord in Galatians 1:9 is not conclusive proof that James is the Lord’s uterine brother. Prof. Tim Perry admits –

“It is, after all, widely agreed that the semantic range of adelphos encompasses meanings ranging from the common ideological and religious adherences to various family relations. While Paul is not using “brother to refer to James and Jesus’ common religion, it is not clear that he means uterine brother; legitimate alternatives are “cousin” or “stepbrother.” Context (Gal. 1:11-24) does not permit a final determination. That James and Jesus are from the same family is indubitable; that they are both children of Mary is possible but not established. Thus this verse alone does not refute ancient beliefs regarding Mary’s perpetual virginity. On the other hand it underscores Paul’s assumption that the Savior is, in fact, a human being” [Tim Perry, Mary for Evangelicals (Downer’s Grove, Illinois: Inter Varsity Press, 2006) pp. 27-28].

Furthermore, why was James called as “the brother of the Lord”?  You never mentioned the reason.

I think I did. I mentioned that “Jesus, James, Joses, Judas and Simon simply called each other “ah” (“brother”). I also said that James was known as “the Brother of the Lord” to the early Christian community in Jerusalem. Hence, Paul referred to him as such. But then again, there is no indication that the early Christians understood James’ title to mean that he is Jesus’ sibling.

How about Luke?  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia he is both Greek and Gentile.

I doubt it if you’ve really read the Catholic Encyclopedia. If you did, you should have cited the volume and the page so we can verify your source. Nevertheless, go ahead and read it online at www.newadvent.org.

A Greek is always a Gentile. It’s either you are a Jew or a Gentile. So, if you are Greek, you are automatically a Gentile! Isn’t that so?

The Catholic Encyclopedia would not have made that mistake as you did. I thought that you merely committed a typographical error. However, when you posted in your blog your email to me, I noticed that you did not correct it. So, I am of the impression that you really think that Luke is indeed both Greek and Gentile! I checked the online Catholic Encyclopedia but I couldn’t find anything there that says that Luke is “both Greek and Gentile” as you alleged (see: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09420a.htm)

The Catholic Encyclopedia informs us: St. Luke was a native of Antioch, the capital of Syria. He was by profession a physician; and some ancient writers say, that he was very skillful in painting. He was converted by St. Paul and became his disciple and companion in his travels, and fellow-labourer in the ministry of the Gospel. He wrote in Greek, about twenty-four years after our Lord’s Ascension (http://www.newadvent.org/bible/luk000.htm)

His books were written to Theophilus, who may be another Greek.

That Theophilus as you said “may be another Greek” is a mere supposition. You did not adduce proof that Theophilus is indeed Greek.

Theophilus may have been a Roman official –

“The Gospel of Luke is addressed to Theophilus with the expression: “most excellent Theophilus” (Luke 1:3). This phrasing indicates that Theophilus was a Roman official, and not merely a friend or associate of Luke.

Luke’s Gospel and Acts are both addressed to the same Roman official, Theophilus. Luke uses the formal term “most excellent” to address Theophilus in his Gospel (Lk 1:3). This language was commonly used in addressing Roman officials. Examples of this same expression are found in Acts, where it is used to address both Felix and Festus (Acts 24:2; 26:25). But, at the beginning of Acts, Luke no longer calls Theophilus “most excellent Theophilus,” instead he calls him “O Theophilus” (Lk 1:3; Acts 1:1). This indicates that Theophilus was no longer in office by the time that Luke was writing, or had completed writing, Acts. Yet Luke still addresses Acts to Theophilus. Luke must still have been living in the same area, where Theophilus still had continued respect and some unofficial authority. Minor Roman officials often held office for only a year. Theophilus could have been proconsul of Achaia, the region in which Saint Jerome tells us Luke was living when he wrote the Gospel, or he could have held some other office within the region of Achaia or Boeotia (but there is no direct historical evidence as to where Theophilus held office).” (http://www.catholicplanet.com/TSM/NT-Luke.htm)

It also possible that Theophilus may be a codename for all those who love God –

“Why would Almighty God allow two inspired works of Sacred Scripture to be addressed to a minor Roman official named Theophilus? From a spiritual point of view, the Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles were both addressed to the name ‘Theophilus’ because of the meaning of that name, not because of the individual with that name. The name Theophilus means “one who loves God;” ‘Theo’ refers to God (as in ‘Theology’), and ‘philus’ is from the Greek word ‘philos’ meaning ‘to love.’ So, Luke’s Gospel is addressed, in the spiritual sense, not to one Roman official, but to all those who love God. Luke’s Gospel was not written only or primarily for the Hebrews, who converted to Christ, but for all who love God, including the Gentiles.” (http://www.catholicplanet.com/TSM/NT-Luke.htm)

If we read Acts 1:14 it appears that he didn’t use anepsios like Paul did in Colossians.

Luke used adelphoi in Acts 1:14. He also used the same word in Acts 1:16 when Peter addressed the 120 believers (Acts 1:15). If the word “brothers” would always be taken to mean as siblings of Jesus and children of Mary, it would appear that Mary had 120 children other than Jesus! What a reproductive and gynecological feat for Mary!

Levity aside, the use of adelphoi and not anepsios in Acts 1:15

Since Luke is both Greek and Gentile, don’t you think he would use anepsios more often than the Jewish NT writers?

Here, you repeated the same blunder that Luke is both Greek and Gentile.

Nevertheless, it is picayune to nitpick on Luke’s diction, especially his choice of adelphos over anepsios in reference to the blood relatives of Jesus Christ. In fact, as you miserably failed to realize, anepsios doesn’t even mean relative – it literally means cousin. Nevertheless, Luke’s use of adelphos rather than anepsios to refer to the blood relatives of Jesus does not conclusively refute our position that the so-called brothers of Jesus in Acts 1:14 (and elsewhere) are not His siblings. For at any rate, even scholars admit that legitimate alternatives for brother (adelphos) are “cousin” or “stepbrother” [See: άδελφός in James H. Moulton and George Milligan, The Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament (London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1930), pp. 8-9]. Prof. Tim Perry also concedes that it is “grammatically possible to argue that adelphoi means “cousins” [Tim Perry, Mary for Evangelicals (Downer’s Grove, Illinois: Inter Varsity Press, 2006) p. 35].

3. You also made an account of the supposedly cousins of Jesus. About Jude, you mentioned that he was a brother of James and a son of Mary the wife of Cleophas.

I did. I stated that Jude (Judas) is identified as the brother of James in Acts 1:13 who was in the Upper Room together with the other apostles after the ascension of Our Lord. Jude never identified himself as the “brother of Jesus” but merely as the “brother of James” (Jude 1:1). I posited that if Jude wanted to establish his credibility with the early Church, he should have name-dropped Jesus by calling himself the “brother of Jesus” and not merely the “brother of James” because being a brother of Jesus is certainly more prestigious than being a mere brother of James.

I stated in my footnote that early Church historian Eusebius of Caesaria mentioned that Hegesippus “says that there were also others, descended from one of the so-called brothers of the Savior, whose name was Judas, who after they had borne testimony before Domitian, as has already been recorded, in behalf of faith in Christ, lived until the same reign” [Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 3:32, see: Eusebius, The History of the Church (London: Penguin Books, 1989) p. 95].

I concluded that Jude’s mother was also Mary, the wife of Cleophas and not Mary, the mother of Jesus. Hence, he, too, is Jesus “brother” because he is his “cousin.”

But how come he wasn’t mentioned in Mark 15:40 but only James and Joses?

Because that is not necessary for Mark’s purpose. Mark’s purpose was merely to identify the women who were watching from a distance the crucifixion scene. “Some women were watching from a distance, among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome” (Mark 15:40). It is not the intention of Mark to name all the children of Mary. It suffices for his purpose to identify who that Mary is. Just because Mary is said to be the mother of James and Joses doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s no longer the mother of Jude.

Let’s also not forget about Simon.  Your sources tell you that he was also a son of Mary the wife Cleophas.

No, we aren’t forgetting Simon. You are correct that my sources tell me that he was also a son of Mary the wife of Cleophas. I based my conclusion that Simon is also a son of Mary the wife of Cleophas from early church history.

The historian Hegessipus mentioned that Simon, son Cleophas, one of the Lord’s brothers, replaced James the Just as Bishop of Jerusalem. Eusebius of Caesaria quotes Hegessipus: “In the course of it Symeon [also spelled Simon], son of Clopas [also spelled Cleophas], the second to be appointed Bishop of Jerusalem, as already stated, is known to have ended his life by martyrdom. The authority for this statement is the writer to whose history I have appealed several times already, Hegessipus” [Eusebius, The History of the Church (London: Penguin Books, 1989) p. 95].

Church historian Eusebius of Caesaria further reports that “after James the Just had suffered martyrdom, as the Lord had also on the same account, Symeon, the son of the Lord’s uncle, Clopas, was appointed the next bishop. All proposed him as second bishop because he was a cousin of the Lord” [Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 4:22; see: The History of the Church (London: Penguin Books, 1989) p. 129].

Eusebius narrates that “Symeon was one of those that saw and heard the Lord, judging from the length of his life, and from the fact that the Gospel makes mention of Mary, the wife of Clopas, who was the father of Symeon, as has been already shown. The same historian (Hegessipus) says that there were also others, descended from one of the so-called brothers of the Savior, whose name was Judas, who after they had borne testimony before Domitian, as has already been recorded, in behalf of faith in Christ, lived until the same reign” [Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 3:32; see: The History of the Church (London: Penguin Books, 1989) p. 95].

The same early church historian further states that “Symeon ruled the Church of Jerusalem affter the martyrdom of James and the conquest of Jerusalem which immediately followed, it is said that those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord that were still living came together from all the directions with those that were related to the Lord according to the flesh to take counsel as to who was worthy to succeed James. They all with one consent pronounced Symeon, the son of Clopas, of whom the Gospel makes mention, to be the worthy of the Episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, they say, of the Savior” [Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 3:11; see: The History of the Church (London: Penguin Books, 1989) p. 79].

Again, how come Mark left him out in 15:40?  Can you explain that?

I can. As I stated earlier, Mark’s purpose in 15:40 was merely to identify the women at the crucifixion scene. It was not the intention of the evangelist to list all the children of Mary. His intention was to identify who that Mary is and to differentiate her from the other Marys at the foot of the cross. Just because Mary is said to be the mother of James and Joses doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s no longer the mother of Simon.

Again, Mark’s concern was to identify the women and not all their children.

You seem to be fond of the “left out” argument without realizing that it boomerangs on you. Applying your own argument, why is Mary referred to only as “the mother of Jesus” (John 2:1,3; Acts 1:14)? Did John and Luke forget that Mary had other children, namely James, Joses, Jude and Simon? Why did these two evangelists leave out James, Joses, Jude and Simon?

If you are correct that James, Joses, Jude and Simon were also children of Mary, why did John and Luke say that Mary is “the mother of Jesus” when they can very well say that Mary is “the mother of Jesus, James, Jude, Simon, et al.?” Can you explain that?

Remember that all throughout the New Testament, Mary has often been referred to as the mother of Jesus (John. 2:1,3; Acts 1:14) or His mother (Matthew. 1:18; 2:11,13,14,20,21; 12:46, 51; Mark 3:31; Luke. 2:33,34,43,48; 8:19; John. 2:5,12; 19:25,26) and the mother of My Lord (Luke 1:43. Nowhere in these instances is Mary ever called the mother of anyone. So my challenge to you still remains. Cite to me verses that say that “Mary had other children aside from Jesus” and that “Mary is the mother of the brothers of Jesus.”

I do agree that the word brother does have a lot of meanings in the Bible.  But, we simply cannot pick one definition because it suits our beliefs.

My point precisely. It’s you who limit “brothers” to siblings because it suits your beliefs.

Let the Bible speak for itself.

I say Amen!

That’s all what I have for now.  Should you feel like responding please take your time.  God bless you.

Sincerely,

Gerald

Thank you for allowing me to take my time to respond to your questions. Like John, “I have much to write you, but I do not want to do so with pen and ink. I hope to see you soon, and we will talk face to face” (3 John 13).

Thus, I look forward to debating you personally on the issue of Mary’s perpetual virginity. I authorize the Chairman of Defensores Fidei Foundation to negotiate with you or the Bereans to work out the details of our debate.

Until then.

In Christ,

Bro. Marwil N. Llasos

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CEBU TRIP, Part 15 Young Catholic Faith Defenders in Casa Miani Cebu

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on February 16, 2009

CEBU TRIP, Part 15 Young Catholic Faith Defenders in Casa Miani Cebu

Link: http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2009/02/cebu-trip-part-15-young-catholic-faith.html

St. Jerome Emiliani with Mother of the Orphans

As we celebrate today the feast of St. Jerome Emiliani I hereby close the thread about CASA MIANI ARVEDI-BUSCHINI. I have shown you almost all its parts, inside ad outside. You have visited its gardens and behold its flowers. Moreover I have provided you with the brief explanations of its purpose and spirit. It’s root in the Love of God and the Charity of Christ. Then the link between Christ and St. Jerome Emiliani who tried to live the Gospel through life of Charity and Sacrifice for the sake of the poor, the sick, the converted prostitudes and the orphans and the needy children became the charism that permeated the live of the Somascan Fathers and Brothers all over the world.

His Eminence Ricardo Cardinal with Pope Benedict XVI

Moreover, there is another aspect on the life of St. Jerome that is not yet fully highlighted. That St. Jerome Emiliani is one of the 16th century saints who helped the Pope in countering the Reformation offensive of the Protestants. He countered it by teaching Catechism to the People and in doing so he helped the Italians remain faithful to the Holy Mother Church and deepened the knowledge of the people of the Word of God.

Brothers G-One Paisones of Catholic Faith Defender Cebu and Bro. Ryan Mejillano CFD Davao

It is therefore fitting that young Defenders of the Catholic faith found themselves at home in the House of St. Jerome Emiliani [Casa Miani] and were delighted to feel the presence of the same Spirit present therein. It is also touching to see this photo of the saintly Archbishop of Cebu Ricardo Cardinal Vidal manifesting his loyalty to the Vicar of Christ. We Somascans do the same and may our lay faithful be active in their defense of the faith as these two young gentlemen.
G-One Paisones and Fr. Abe, CRS

With Augustian Recoletos Sisters and one of our Boys
Fr. Abe explains to G-One the meaning and significance for the Somascan of their Novitiate Cross. We are being given each when we entered the Novitiate and that Cross becomes our companion and guide and protection throughout our life.
Bro. G-One carrying the Bibles used by Fr. Abe for Apologetic purpose

Bro. Ryan inside the Dormitory of the Casa Miani

Fr. Abe with G-One before the Holy Mass

Fr. Abe calling the children to prepare for a camera shots
The House Blessing with Mr. and Mrs. Giovanni & Luciana Arvedi
The Bishop recitest the prayer of blessing

Bishop John Du with the Sisters and Bro. Ryan

now with G-One

Bro. Ryan with the Sisters

Bro. G-One with the Sisters

Having a good laugh with Bishop John Du and Bro. Ryan
with Fr. Lino Juta, CRS my superior

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Catholic Faith Defender’s Radio Program

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on February 6, 2009

Catholic Faith Defender’s Radio Program

“Mar e Cielo”

DYHP (RMN CEBU) -612 KHz

Every Sunday

Time: 1:00 – 2:00PM

Host: Atty. Marcelo Bacalso

Atty. Dr. Marcelo Bacalso, PhD.


Atty. Dr. Bacalso with Bro. Ryan Mejillano


The First Part of the Program “Mar e Cielo”= dealing with History, Politics, Education, Argumentation, Laws and others.


Atty. Dr. Bacalso with Bro. G-one Paisones

The Second Part of the Program “Mar e Cielo”= dealing with Apologetics, Catholic Dogma, Catholic Liturgy, Catholic Teaching and other doctrinal subjects.


Bro. Ryan Mejillano and Atty. Dr. Bacalso Discuss the “Tridentine Mass” or “Traditional Latin Masslive in DYHP Cebu.


Among of the Best Catholic Apologist in the Philippines:

Atty. Dr. Marcelo Bacalso, PhD.

Bro. Ryan Mejillano

Fr. Abe Arganiosa, CRS

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“Executive Minister of Iglesia Ni Cristo Back to the True Church”

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on January 30, 2009

“Executive Minister of Iglesia Ni Cristo Back to the True Church”

By Bro. G-one Paisones

May nabasa po akong isang aklat na maganda at magagamit sa mga evangelization at apologetics purposes ng mga Catholic Apologist at lahat ng mga Katoliko. Ang aklat na ito ay ang “Paano Ninyo Sasagutin” ni Fr. Ben Carreon (Unang Aklat). Ang naturang aklat ay naglalaman ng mga sagot at information na dapat mabasa ng lahat ng mga Katoliko sa boung Pilipinas. Ang aklat na ito ay mabibili sa mga St. Paul stores.

Madalas na nating naririnig at nababasa na may mga Katoliko na winaksi ang kanilang pananampalataya bilang Katoliko na hindi man lang nila nalalaman ang stand ng doctina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica; ika nga ignoranting mga Katoliko. Ang ilan sa kanila ay umanib sa Iglesia ni Cristo na itinatag ni Felix Manalo noong 1914. Ang isa sa mga information na nakuha ko sa aklat (“Paano Ninyo Sasagutin”) ay makatutulong upang tatagan ang paniniwalang Katoliko at malaman ang Doctrina ng Santa Iglesia Catolica basi narin sa Biblia, Apostolic Tradition at sa Banal na Santa Iglesia Catolica; at maging sa mga karagdagang standard references ay narito:

Paano Ninyo Sasagutin

St. Paul Publication

7708 St. Paul Road, ASV

Makati, Metro Manila

Tel.:88-97-70* 85-50-82

(1st Printing, 1966)

(Revised Edition, 1986)

Pahina 128-129

Sino ang Humirang kay Manalo?

Ni Fr. Ben Carreon

(Emphasis Added)

Totoo ang iyong (Quirico Porras) sinasabing ang ginawa ng mga Kapatid nating nahihiwalay sa mga sektang Saksi ni Jehova at Iglesia ni Kristo ay pulos panlilinlang sa mga Katolikong alanganin ang paniniwala at kulang ng kaalaman sa relihyon. Una: malaking kasinungalingan ang sinasabi ng mga iglesya (Iglesia ni Cristo) na sila ang pinakauna sa lahat ng relihyon. Sang-ayon sa Encyclopedia of the Philippines, Vol. 10, 1936 edition, pahina 432-433, sinulat ni Zoila Galang, ang Iglesya ay itinatag noong 1914, sa Punta, Sta. Ana, Maynila ni Felix Manalo.

Isa rito sa 18 “hinirang ng Diyos” ay si Mr. Igmidio Zabala, dating Superintendente ng mga Iglesya sa Central Luzon, na ngayon ay nagbalik na sa pagka-Katoliko at ang sabi niya’y hindi totoo na sila’y hinirang ng Diyos. Ang humirang sa kanila ay si G. Manalo. Sa “katunayan,” sudlong pa ni Mr. Zabala, “ano mang oras ay naiaalis ni Manalo ang sino man sa amin. Siya ang nag turo sa aming kung ano ang ituturo namin sa mga kaanib sa sariling pakahulugan niya sa mga talata ng Bibliya. Siya ang nagbibigay ng sweldo sa amin.” Bakit sasabihing Diyos ang humirang sa 18 ito?

Samaktwid, sang-ayon na rin sa tinatawag ni Manalong “hinirang ng Diyos” na si Mr. Zabala, hindi totoong Diyos ang humirag sa mga ministro ng Iglesia, at gayon din hindi totoong Diyos ang humirang kay Felix Manalo. Mayroon bang Diyos na pabagu-bago ng patakaran?

At samakatwid, sang-ayon na rin kay Manalo, ang Iglesya ay natayo sa Punta, Ata. Ana, Maynila noong 1914 at hinirang ng Diyos ang kanyang mga ministro noon ding mga petsang yaon. Paano itong magiging “pinakauna” sa lahat ng relihyon? Mahina yata sa arithmetic ang ating mga kapatid na iyan.

Pahina 135

Ang Tunay na Sugo

We are very haapy to have Mr. Igmidio Zabala as a guest columnist in Paano Ninyo Sasagutin. A well-known figure in Manila, he broadcast in DZST as one of the Tinig ni Mang Huwan and writes a column in Sentinel. Mr. Zabala’s name is in the Philippines Encyclopedia as one of the original 18 Ministers of the Iglesya ni Kristo, in which sect he labored for over twenty years, rising to executive position in Luzon until he came back to the Catholic Church a few years ago. A small autobiography has been published: “Ako ay naging Ministro ng Igleya ni Kristo” in which he traced his many years with Felix Manalo and his later disillusionment. The small book has been sold out and no copy is available. We wrote the publishers to request. If they don’t we are planning to serialize it here in the Mindanao Cross.

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Bro. Soc Fernandez on CFD lecture (Cebuano)

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on January 7, 2009

  • Bro. Socrates Fernandez
  • National Advicer of Catholic Faith Defenders Inc.

-Cebuano Apologetics-

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Reply from Henry Arganda (Member PMCC 4thwatch) #1

Posted by catholicfaithdefender on December 4, 2008

Author : henry arganda (IP: 64.228.132.176 , bas2-windsor12-1088718000.dsl.bell.ca)
E-mail : henri_4w@yahoo.ca
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Comment:
sa sagot mo sa apostolic succession ginamit mo ang mga obispo ay ang kahalili ng mga apostol..ginamit ang sa gawa 1;20-bishopric ang bishopric ay office..sa tagalog ito ay “katunkulan”ang bishop ay overseer..ang pagkakamali mo ay pinagisa mo ang kahulugan..para patunayan na ang bishop of rome ay apostol din maling mali..ka dyan mr.paisones..dahil iba ang  bishop sa apostol ang apostol ay haligi ng iglesia Gal 2:9 isa lang dyan si pedro hindi sya pundasyun kundi haligi palagay ko naman alam mo ang pagkakaiba ng pundasyun at haligi he he .. ang bishop sa acts 20:28..ay mga elders sa church..mula yan sa context ng acts 20:17-hindi sila kahalili sapagkat wala kang mababasa sa biblia na sila (obispo)ay magiging kahalili..bigyan mo nga ako ng verse na ang obispo ayun sa biblia ang magiging kahalili ng mga apostol ..ito na lang ang tanggapin mo na magsusugo ang Dios ng mga apostol lucas 11:49..ang elders or bishop ay appointed lang ng mga kasamahan ng mga apostol..titus 1:5- hindi sinabi
ni cristo o ng mga apostol na silang mga obispo ang magiging kahalili nila kundi ang sabi nya magsusugo sya ng apostol ..ibig sabihin apostol pa rin ang haligi ng iglesia hindi elders o bishop naunawaan mo ba?sinabi ko na totoo lang ang apostolic succession kay judas at kay mattias..dahil ang pinaguusapan natin ay apostolic  yung sagot mo sa akin sa isa.22.15-21 hindi apostolic yun. yun nangyari na wag mong idamay yun di naman apostolic yun..pinatungkul mo yun kay pedro dahil may key din si ellacim..at si pedro ibibigay din ang susi mat16:19..ano itong key?not literal key but authority..dito rin sa verse na ito..ano mang iyong taliaan sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit..ang pagkakamali nyo ay kala nyo kay peter lang ngunit ang authority na ito ay sa lahat ng apostol..mat.18:18 basahin mo.at sa juan 20:23-24.bakit masyado ninyong itinatangi si pedro?

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-Replied by: Brod. G-one T. Paisones-

Sagutin po natin ang mga reaction at accusation ni Bro. Henry Arganda tungkol sa post namin (https://catholicfaithdefender.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/tanong-galing-sa-member-ng-pmcc-4thwatch-henry-arganda/) na nag lalayong masagutan ang lahat ng mga tanong ng taos puso para maihatid sa buong madla ang tunay na aral ng Santa Iglesia Catolica basi narin sa Katesismong, aklat Catoliko at sa higit sa lahat sa Biblia.

Ang sabi po ni Bro. Henry ay “sa sagot mo sa apostolic succession ginamit mo ang mga obispo ay ang kahalili ng mga apostol..ginamit ang sa gawa 1;20-bishopric ang bishopric ay office..sa tagalog ito ay “katunkulan”ang bishop ay overseer..ang pagkakamali mo ay pinagisa mo ang kahulugan..para patunayan na ang bishop of rome ay apostol din maling mali..ka dyan mr.paisones..”; kapatid na Henry hindi po ako nagkamali dahil hindi ko pinag-isa ang bishopric at ang bishop para mapatunayan lang namin na ang Bishop of Rome ay kahalili ni San Pedro. Kapatid na Henry, alam ko po ang pagkakaiba ng BISHOPRIC sa BISHOP; ang bishopric sa tagalog ay Katungkolan ng Obispo (Sa nasambit mo sa itaas; halatang hindi mo sinulat kung anong katungkulan ang BISHOPRIC) at ang Obispo ay ang nanunungkulan dito.

Narito po ang mga pahayag namin:

àsa Act 1:20 ating makikita na ang greek word na πισκοπν ay ang apostles’ offices o ang office of the bishop.

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1984.htm

ST#1984. episkope (ep-is-kop-ay’) πισκοπν, πισκοπςthe office of a bishop (From episkeptomai; inspection (for relief); by implication, superintendence; specially, the Christian “episcopate” — the office of a “bishop”, bishoprick, visitation.)

With this clear evidence we can arrive with the correct conclusions that apostle’s office is office of a bishop and the office of a bishop is apostle’s office.

(https://catholicfaithdefender.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/tanong-galing-sa-member-ng-pmcc-4thwatch-henry-arganda/)

Kaya kapatid na Henry, paki basa po ng maigi ang post namin, para ho hindi po kayo basta-bastang gagawa ng mga accusation na puro walang proweba o ebidensya.

Para sa ating mambabasa, talakayin po natin ang Gawa 1:12-26

TAGALOG: Ang Dating Biblia (1905) http://adb.scripturetext.com/acts/1.htm

Gawa 1: 15 At nang mga araw na ito’y nagtindig si Pedro sa gitna ng mga kapatid, at nagsabi (at nangagkakatipon ang karamihang mga tao, na may isang daa’t dalawangpu), 16 Mga kapatid, kinakailangang matupad ang kasulatan, na nang una ay sinalita ng Espiritu Santo, sa pamamagitan ng bibig ni David tungkol kay Judas, na siyang pumatnugot sa nagsihuli kay Jesus. 17 Sapagka’t siya’y ibinilang sa atin, at siya’y tumanggap ng kaniyang bahagi sa ministeriong ito. 18 Kumuha nga ang taong ito ng isang parang sa pamamagitan ng ganti sa kaniyang katampalasanan; at sa pagpapatihulog ng patiwarik, ay pumutok siya sa gitna, at sumambulat ang lahat ng mga laman ng kaniyang tiyan. 19 At ito’y nahayag sa lahat ng mga nagsisitahan sa Jerusalem; ano pa’t tinawag ang parang na yaon sa kanilang wika na Aceldama, sa makatuwid baga’y, Ang parang ng Dugo.)

20 Sapagka’t nasusulat sa aklat ng Mga Awit, Bayaang mawalan nawa ng tao ang kaniyang tahanan, At huwag bayaang manahan doon ang sinoman; at, Bayaang kunin ng iba ang kaniyang katungkulan.

21 Sa mga taong ito nga na nangakisama sa atin sa buong panahon na ang Panginoong si Jesus ay pumapasok at lumalabas sa atin, 22 Magmula sa pagbautismo ni Juan, hanggang sa araw na siya’y tanggapin sa itaas mula sa atin, ay nararapat na ang isa sa mga ito’y maging saksi na kasama natin sa kaniyang pagkabuhay na maguli. 23 At kanilang ibinukod ang dalawa, si Jose na tinatawag na Barsabas, na pinamagatang Justo, at si Matias. 24 At sila’y nagsipanalangin, at nagsipagsabi, Ikaw, Panginoon, na nakatataho ng mga puso ng lahat ng mga tao, ay ipakilala mo kung alin sa dalawang ito ang iyong hinirang, 25 Upang tanggapin ang katungkulan sa ministeriong ito at pagkaapostol na kinahulugan ni Judas, upang siya’y makaparoon sa kaniyang sariling kalalagyan. 26 At sila’y pinagsapalaran nila; at nagkapalad si Matias; at siya’y ibinilang sa labingisang apostol.

CEBUANO: Ang Biblia (KJV in Cebuano Translation)

Gawa 1: 12-26 “Ug unya namauli sila sa Jerusalem gikan sa bungtod nga ginganlan ug Olivo nga duol sa Jerusalem, nga may gilay-on nga sama sa malakaw sa usa ka adlaw nga igpapahulay. 13Ug sa nakasulod na sila, misaka sila sa lawak sa itaas diin didto mag abutan sila si Pedro ug si Juan ug si Santiago ug si Andres, si Felipe ug si Tomas, si Bartolome ug si Mateo, si Santiago nga anak ni Alfeo, si Simon nga Zelote ug si Judas nga anak ni Santiago. 14Kini silang tanan nanagpadayon sa paghiusa sa pag-ampo, kauban sa mga babaye lakip kang Maria nga inahan ni Jesus, ug kauban sa iyang mga igsoong lalaki.

15Ug niadtong mga adlawa si Pedro mitindog taliwala sa kaigsoonan (dihay pundok sa mga usa ka gatus ug kaluhaan ka tawo), ug miingon kanila, 16Mga igsoon, kinahanglan nga matuman gayud ang kasulatan nga gipamulong daan sa Espiritu Santo pinaagi sa baba ni David, mahitungod kang Judas nga nahimong magtotultol sa mga nanagdakop kang Jesus. 17Kay kadto siya nahiapil man kanamo ug nakabaton ug bahin niining maong pagpang-alagad. 18(Ug kini siya nakapanag-iyag usa ka luna nga yuta gumikan sa gisuhol kaniya sa iyang pagkadili matarung; ug sa pagkahulog niya nga nag una ang ulo, mibuto ang iyang tiyan ug nahurot pagkayagyag ang iyang tinai. 19Ug nahibaloan kini sa tanang nanagpuyo sa Jerusalem nga tungod niana kadtong yutaa ginganlan ug Akeldama sa ilang pinulongan, nga sa ato pa, Yuta nga Dugoon.` 20Kay sa basahon sa mga Salmo nahisulat kini nga nagaingon: `Ipahimong awaaw ang iyang yutang puloy-anan, ug ayaw na kini papuy-ig tawo;` ug `Ang iyang katungdanan ipakuha sa lain.` 21Busa, sa mga tawo nga among gikauban sulod sa tanang panahon nga ang Ginoong Jesus misulod ug migula sa among taliwala, 22sukad sa pagpangbautismo ni Juan hangtud sa adlaw sa pagbayaw kaniya gikan kanato—usa niining mga tawhana kinahanglan himoon nga uban kanamo saksi sa iyang pagkabanhaw.” 23Ug ilang gipaatubang ang duha ka tawo nga pagapilian, si Jose nga ginganlan ug Barsabas nga gianggaan ug Justo, ug si Matias. 24Ug nanag-ampo sila nga nag-ingon, “Ginoo, ikaw nga nasayud sa mga kasingkasing sa tanang tawo, ipasundayag kinsa niining duha ang imong gipili 25nga maoy mokuha sa dapit niining pagpang-alagad ug pagka-apostol nga gibiyaan ni Judas nga miadto sa iyang kaugalingong dapit.” 26Ug ilang giripahan sila, ug si Matias mao ang nahitungnan; ug siya naihap nga kauban sa napulog-usa ka mga apostoles.”

Pansinin po natin ang “Gawa 1:15” makikita natin dyan na si San Pedro ang nagsalita sa harap ng maraming Kristiano at mga Apostol. Bakit po ba? Kasi si San Pedro po ang:


PETER (Gr. Petros, rock) the most prominent of the 12 apostles in the Gospels and an outstanding leader in the early Christian church. NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 448

PETER, St (d. 64-67), chief of the 12 Apostles, brother of St. Andrew. He was originally called Simon but Jesus gave him the Aramaic name “KEPHA”, meaning rock, translated into Greek as “Petros”. The New Webster Dictionary of the English Language (International Edition)- Page 751

Pansinin po natin ang “Gawa 1:16” makikita natin dyan na ipinahayag ni San Pedro na si Judas ang inihula ni David na siyang (Judas) pumatnugot sa nagsihuli kay Jesus. Narito po ang Karagdagang ebidensya sa pahayag natin:

Geneva Study Bible Commentary (http://bible.cc/acts/1-16.htm)

{7} Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

(7) Peter anticipates the offence that might be taken at the falling away of Judas the betrayer, showing that all things which happened to him were foretold by God.

Sa “Gawa 1:17” naman mapapansin natin na si Judas ay tumanggap ng kaniyang bahagi sa ministering (ministry) ito. Pakakatandaan po natin na ang MINISTRY ay ibig sabihin ay- “The act of ministering or serving (The Clergy)” –WEBSTER II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 171.

Tumungo naman po tayo sa “Gawa 1:20” -Bayaang kunin ng iba ang kaniyang katungkulan- Ito po ay naka basis a Salmo 109:8. Ang Katungkulan dyan ay mababasa sa Greek na πισκοπν (EPISKOPEN) the office of a “bishop”http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1984.htm

Kahit na grade 6 alam kung sino ang nanunungkulan sa office of a Bishop- kundi ang Bishop din o Obispo.

Para sa karagdagang ebidensya na ang πισκοπν ay office of a bishop:

The Greek New Testament Dictionary, Page 70: πισκοπν , πισκοπς f. visitation (of God’s presence among men); office; place of service; office of bishop (1 Tim. 3:1)

Si Judas po ang direct subject ng Gawa 1:20, kaya po si Judas ay may tungkulin office of bishop o panunungkulan bilang Obispo. Therefore si Judas ay Obispo.

Si Judas ay patay na at kailangan ang may humalili sa kanyang tungkulin bilang Obispo para may taga bantay ang kawan ng Diyos at taga gawa ng iniwan nyang (Judas) tungkulin.

Pansinin naman po natin ang “Gawa 1:25 Upang tanggapin ang katungkulan sa ministeriong ito at pagkaapostol na kinahulugan ni Judas…” Mapapansin po natin na ang katungkulan ni Judas ay tatanggapin ng kanyang kahalili sa katungkulan bilang isang minister (ministro) at apostol na iniwan ni Judas. Sa itatas na I-discuss na po natin na si Judas ay may tungkulin office of bishop o panunungkulan bilang Obispo (Gawa 1:20). Sa atin pong conclusion ay napakalinaw na ang katungkulan ng pagka Obispo ay katungkulan rin ng mga Apostol at ang katungkolan ng mga Apostol ay katungkulan rin ng mga Obispo dahil ang ang ibig sabihin ng Apostol at Opispo ay:

BISHOP =Gr. Episkopos, overseer- originally the principal officer of the local church, the other being the deacon or deacons (1 Tim, 3:1-7). The title elder or presbyter generally applied to the same man; “elder” referring to his age and dignity and “bishop” to his work of superintendence. As the church multiplied, the bishop of a larger church would be given special honor, and so gradually there grew up a hierarchy, all the way from presiding elders to bishops (over group of churches), then archbishop. (NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 93)

APOSTLES Gr. Apostolos, messenger, envoy, ambassador). This title is used to describe various men in the NT. (1) Jesus himself is the ambassador of the Father (Heb. 3:1). (2) The twelve disciples were chosen and commissioned by Christ (Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:14; 6:30; Luke 6:13; 9:10; 11:49; 17:5; 22:14; 24:10). These men (with Matthias replacing Judas) proclaimed the gospel and established churches…. (3). Paul was commission by the resurrected Christ to be the messenger of the gentiles… There are others called who are called “apostles” in NT. James, the brother of the Lord Jesus (Gal. 1:19, 2:9); Barnabas (Act 14:4, 14); Andronicus and Junias (Rom. 16:7) and Silas (1 Thess. 2:6). (NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 40)

Barnabus, Silvanus and Junias are given the title of Apotles later, but in derivative sense. They have a universal mission, given by Paul, to preach the gospel, and this seems to be the common trait of resemblance. Apotles also occur in the DIDACHE, 11:3-6, after which the term “Apotles” ceases to designate a special function. It is still used as general term for the prechers of the Gospel. (Intelligent Theology, Volume-2, Page 71, By: Piet Fransen, SJ)


Dahil sa pangako ng Panginoon na sasamahan Niya ang kanyang Iglesia hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo (Mat. 28:20); sinamahan at pinamunuan Nya ito ng Siya ay nabubuhay pa; nang Siya ay pumunta na sa Langit, itinalaga Niya sa Kanyang mga apostol ang mga Gawain bilang ambassador at Obispo (Mat. 28:19,Luke 10:16, Act. 1:20-25) at ang pangkalahatang Obispo sa mga Obispo kay San Pedro (John 21:15-17); nang namatay na lahat ang mga apostol, kung wala pong hahalili sa kanila e sino na ang mamamahala ng Iglesia? Therefore it is very reasonable that the apostles had successors to teach, care and overseer all God’s peoples.

Para maiintindihan ng maiigi ang nasa itaas, narito po ang ilang analogy at logic na sample po natin.

Analogy:

Ang namamahala ng office of the President ay ang Presidente.

Ang namamahala ng office of the bishop ay ang bishop o Obispo.

Logic:

Ang Obispo ay ang namamahala sa office of the bishop (Obispo)

But si Judas ay namahala sa office of the bishop = (Act 1:20-25)

Therefore si Judas ay Obispo

Si Judas a may kahalili = (Act 1:20-25)

But si Judas ay Apostol = (Mat 10:4)

Therefore ang Apostol ay may kahalili

Ang Apostol ay may kahalili (Base on Logical Reasoning sample #2)

But si Pedro ay Apostol = (Mat. 10:2)

Therefore si Pedro ay may kahalili.

Sa mga naibigay nating logical reasoning napakalinaw po na ang mga apostol ay may kahalili basi narin sa ating mga argumento at mga ebidensya na naaayon sa tamang logic and reality.

Sabi ni kapatid na Henry “dahil iba ang  bishop sa apostol ang apostol ay haligi ng iglesia Gal 2:9 isa lang dyan si pedro hindi sya pundasyun kundi haligi palagay ko naman alam mo ang pagkakaiba ng pundasyun at haligi he he .” Sa pakutyang reply ni brad Henry sa amin ho, nais ko pong makipag challenge sa kanya na “pag may nabasa ako na ang mga Apostol ay pundasyon (Isa na riyan si San Pedro); aaminin ba n’yang siya ay may kaunting kamalian?”

Ang mga Apostolis ay Pundasyon

Foundation of the Apostles

Eph. 2:20

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

ΠΡΟΣ ΕΦΕΣΙΟΥΣ 2:20 Greek NT: WH / NA27 / UBS4
ποικοδομηθέντες π τ θεμελί τν ποστόλων κα προφητν, ντος κρογωνιαίου ατο Χριστο ησο,

Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata
superaedificati super fundamentum apostolorum et prophetarum ipso summo angulari lapide Christo Iesu

Efesios 2:20 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas (©1997)
edificados sobre el fundamento de los apóstoles y profetas, siendo Cristo Jesús mismo la piedra angular,

King James Bible
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

American King James Version
And are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

American Standard Version
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;

Bible in Basic English
Resting on the base of the Apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief keystone,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:

Darby Bible Translation
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the corner-stone,

English Revised Version
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. Christ Jesus himself is the cornerstone.

Tyndale New Testament
and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Iesus Christ being the head cornerstone,

Weymouth New Testament
You are a building which has been reared on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, the cornerstone being Christ Jesus Himself,

Webster’s Bible Translation
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner-stone;

World English Bible
being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;

Young’s Literal Translation
being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being chief corner –stone

The Jerusalem Bible

Eph. 2:19-20 So you are no longer aliens or foreign visitors: you are citizens like all the saints, and of God’s household. You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone.

Lahat po ng Bible translation ay nagsasabing “Foundation of the Apostles”, at kahit na sa Bible in Basic English ang foundation ay isinalin ng BASE meaning the lowest part ; bottom (WEBSTER II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 24.

Pansinin po natin ang sentence na “You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone” sa Jerusalem Bible. Sa Eph. 2:19 nakasaad po doon na “you are citizens like all the saints, and of God’s household” ibig sabihin po nito na kasapi naho tayo sa house ng Diyos. Ang house of God ay ang Iglesia po (1 Tim. 3:15 KJV “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”). We are part of the building (The Church) being built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone (Eph. 2:19-20).

Sabi ni Brod. Henry “ang bishop sa acts 20:28..ay mga elders sa church..mula yan sa context ng acts 20:17-hindi sila kahalili sapagkat wala kang mababasa sa biblia na sila (obispo)ay magiging kahalili....” Ang Act 20:28 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers (Bishop), to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood (emphasize added). Ang paliwanag ko po dito Bro Henry na ang mga Obispo po ang taga pakain ng kawan, sila ang itinalaga ni Jesus Biblang kaplit Nya bilang Obispo. At ang lahat ng mga Obispo ay may Obispo na itinalaga ng Panginoon-ito Obispo na ito ay si San Pedro (John 21:15-17). Sa kadahilanang mamamatay po ang mga Obispo at si San Pedro, natural nalamang po na may humalili sa kanilang authority, office, at katungkulan sa kadahilanang:

Para po maintindihang maigi ng ating mambabasa ang ibig sabihin natin sa itaas narito ang karagdagang information:

Cristo lang ang nagtatag ng Kanyang iglisya -Mat. 16:18 “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Naitatag N’ya sa kanyang kapanahonan ang Iglesia -Mat. 18:17 “And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.”

Ang Iglesia ay Kanyang (Jesus Cristo) Katawan –Col. 1:18 “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Siya (Jesus Christ) ang manliligtas ng iglisya -Efe 5:23 “For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.”

Itinayo Nya ang Iglesia sa saligan ng mga apostol -Efe 2:20 “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:

Sasamahan Nya hanggang sa katapusan ng sanlibutan(WALANG PUTOL NA SASAMAHAN NI JESUS ANG IGLESIA) -Mat. 28:20 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Bibigyan Nya ng patnubay ang Iglesia magpasawalang hanggang -John14:16-17 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; {14:17} [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

Espiritu Santo na magtuturo sa iglisya ng lahat ng bagay at magpapaalala ng lahat ng sinabi ni Cristo – John 14:26 “But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Therefore Ang tunay na iglisyang itinatag ni Cristo ay magpasahanggang sa ngayon ay narito pa at hindi ito kailan man tatalikod at mawawalang parang bula (Mat. 16:18) (Mat. 28:20) (Juan. 14:16-17, 26)

Kung wala pong hahalili sa mga apostol sino po ang mag aalaga, magpapakain, gagabay sa kawan ng Diyos?

Kaya po may kahalili ang mga apostol para po may mag-aalaga, magpapakain, gagabay, magtuturo sa Kawan ng Diyos.

Dagdag pa ni Bro Henry “bigyan mo nga ako ng verse na ang obispo ayun sa biblia ang magiging kahalili ng mga apostol”

Ang sagot natin dito ayon sa Biblia at Apostolic Traditon may mababasa po tayo at maiintindihan. Peru mas tatalakayin kopo rito ang Bibla.

Psalm 109:8 (KJV) Let his days be few; [and] let another take his office.

Psalm 108:8 (Douay Rheims) “May His days be few: and his bishopric let another take”

Act 1:20 (KJV) “For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.”

ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ 1:20 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed. with Strong’s Numbers
γέγραπται γὰρ ἐν βίβλῳ ψαλμῶν, γενηθήτω ἔπαυλις αὐτοῦ ἔρημος καὶ μὴ ἔστω κατοικῶν ἐν αὐτῇ, καί, τὴν ἐπισκοπὴν αὐτοῦ λαβέτω ἕτερος.

Sa itaas ay ang “Gawa 1:20” sa Greek New Testament; pansinin po natin ang word na “πισκοπν” (EPISKOPEN)- ang ibig sabihin po nito ay office of bishop (The Greek New Testament Dictionary, Page 70)

Ang katungkulan ni Judas bilang Obispo ay inilipat sa kanyang kahalili na si Matthias (Gawa 1:20-25). At logically ang kahahalili sa nanunungkolan sa office of the Bishop ay magiging Bishop (o Obispo) rin.

At may idadagdag paho tayo dito ang Matt. 16:18-19 at ang Isa. 22:21-22 peru sa ibaba nalang po natin i-discussed ang mga ito.

Sabi ni Brad Henry “ito na lang ang tanggapin mo na magsusugo ang Dios ng mga apostol lucas 11:49..ang elders or bishop ay appointed lang ng mga kasamahan ng mga apostol..titus 1:5- hindi sinabi ni cristo o ng mga apostol na silang mga obispo ang magiging kahalili nila kundi ang sabi nya magsusugo sya ng apostol .”

Brother Henry sa statement ayon po sa itaas ay para na rin kayong ginisa sa sarili ninyong mantika sapagkat ang sa Titus 1:5(KJV) “For this cause left I (Paul) thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I (Paul) had appointed thee: (emphasize added)”. Sa Titus 1:5 si San Pablo po ang nag direct (nag sugo) kay Titus na mag appoint ng elders sa lugar ng Crete para maging tagapagturo sa mga aral ng Diyos at magsilbing overseer sa mga kawan ng Diyos (Titus 1:7); ang Obispo ang itinalag ng Diyos upang taga pakain ng Iglesia (Titus 1:7). Sa panahong si Jesus ay kasama pa ng mga apostol, Sya ang ang nagsilbing pastol (taga pakain) sa kanyang mga karnero John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” Itinalaga nya ang kanyang tungkulin bilang mga pastol sa mga apostol, at itinalaga Niya (Cristo) ang lahat ng kawan kay San Pedro (John 21:15-17). Peru ang lahat ng mga Apostol ay mamatay-eh natural na lamang po na may humalili sa kanilang gawain (Act.1:20-25; Mat. 16:18; Mat 18:18; 1 Tim. 3:1-2; Titus 1:7) sapagkat ang Iglesia ay hindi mawawala at hindi madadaig ng kamatayan (Mat. 16:18, Mat. 28:19-20; John 14:16, 26). Kung hindi mawawala ang Iglesia; hindi rin mawawala ang mga nagtuturo, nagpapakain Nito (Church) hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo (Dan. 2:44; Isa. 22:19-23; Mat. 16:18-19; Mat. 18:18; Act. 1:20-25).

At sa nasambit natin sa itaas na maiintindihan po natin na ang mga obispo ang kahalili ng mga apostol sapagkat ang apostol (Judas) ay may kahalili na si Matthias. At si Judas ay Obispo sapagkat sya ay ang namamahala sa office of the Bishop πισκοπν (Act 1:20).Si Mathias ang humalili kay hudas. Therefore Mathias is also a Bishop.

Sambit rin ni Brad Henry “ibig sabihin apostol pa rin ang haligi ng iglesia hindi elders o bishop naunawaan mo ba?sinabi ko na totoo lang ang apostolic succession kay judas at kay mattias..dahil ang pinaguusapan natin ay apostolic  yung sagot mo sa akin sa isa.22.15-21 hindi apostolic yun. yun nangyari na wag mong idamay yun di naman apostolic yun..Pinatungkol mo yun kay pedro dahil may key din si ellacim..at si pedro ibibigay din ang susi mat16:19..ano itong key?not literal key but authority..dito rin sa verse na ito..ano mang iyong taliaan sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit..ang pagkakamali nyo ay kala nyo kay peter lang ngunit ang authority na ito ay sa lahat ng apostol..mat.18:18 basahin mo.at sa juan 20:23-24.bakit masyado ninyong itinatangi si pedro?”

Wala po tayong mababasa sa Biblia letra-4-letra na “na totoo lang ang apostolic succession kay judas at kay mattias” at lalong wala pong mababasa sa Biblia tungkol sa Founder ng PMMC 4thWatch. At kung binasa pa ng maigi ni Brad Henry, ang post namin hindi na sya mag komento sa amin na “hindi apostolic ang Isa. 22:15-22”; tatalakayin po natin dito ang Isa. 22:15-22 at Mat. 16:18-19

Ang Iglesia ay inihula na sa panahon ng Lumang Tipan na hindi mawawala (tatalikod o mamatay):

Dan. 2:44 “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” –Dito malinaw na nakasaad na ang Dios ay magtatayo ng isang Kaharian na hindi mawawala hanggang magpakailanman.

At sa panahon ni Jesu-Cristo nangyari ang inihula ni Daniel:

Mat. 16:18 “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. {16:19} And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.—Dito malinaw na ang hula sa Daniel 2:44 ang katuparan ay ang tunay na Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo na kahit ang kamatayan ay hindi ito kailan man madadaig ng kahit anung unos at kamatayan.

Si Pedro po ay Binigyan ng KEYS which are symbols of authority (At inamin ni brad Henry ito).

Sa Isa.22:21-22 “And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. {22:22} And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.” Ang KEY po dito ay katulad isang Rabinic Term na ibig sabihin ay AUTHORITY. Ano ba ang Authority?

Authority– (Gr. Exousia) The Legal and/or moral right to exercise of power, power that is rightly possessed. (NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 61)

Exousia –authority, right, liberty; ability, capability; supernatural power; ruling power, government, official; jurisdiction (Act 5:4). (The Greek New Testament Dictionary, Page 65)

Ang Authority (Key) sa Isa. 22:21-22 ay ipinasa sa ibaà Si Shebna ay ang may hawak sa KEY at ipinasa ito kay Eliakim. Ito po ang magsilbing reference po natin sa tungkol sa hawak na KEYS ni San. Pedro.

Sa Mat. 16:18-19 si San Pedro ay may KEYS (Authority) Ibig Sabihin nito na si San Pedro ay may kapangyarihan sa Iglesia, pamahalaan ang Iglesia at pamunuan ang buong Iglesia.

Sa nakita natin sa itaas; umamin na po si Brad Henry na ang ibig sabihin ng KEYS ay AUTHORITY. Dahil sa kanya pong statement ay para na hong idenepensa niya ang claim ng Catholic Church hingil sa Apostolic Succession. Sa madaling salita para hong iginisa po siya sa kanyang sariling mantika. Dahil ang Apostolic Succession ay ang pag-pasa ng Authority ng mga Apostol sa mga Obispo, at pagpasa ng Authority ni San Pedro sa Obispo ng Roma o ang Santo Papa My Catholic Faith (3rd Edition Page 97); Catholic Catechism (Revised Edition) By: Fr. M. Gusman #142.

Sa Mat. 16:18-19 ang Authority o ang pamamahala diyan ay sa Iglesia.

Sa Isa. 22:21-22 ang Authority o ang pamamahala diyan ay sa old Davidic kingdom.

Ang Iglesia ang New Davidic Kingdom at si San Pedro ang itinalaga bilang isang pinuno dahil sya lang ang may hawak ng susi. Toong ang mga apostol ay may ay may kapangyarihang “binding and loosing” at doctrina ito ng Santa Iglesia Catolica. Wala pong basihan ang sinasabi ni brad Henry na “..dito rin sa verse na ito..ano mang iyong taliaan sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit..ang pagkakamali nyo ay kala nyo kay peter lang ngunit ang authority na ito ay sa lahat ng apostol..mat.18:18” WALA PONG DOCTRINA ANG SANTA IGLESIA NA SI SAN PEDRO LANG ANG MAY AUTHORITY. Ang pahayag ng Santa Iglesia Catolica ay lahat ng mga apostol ay may Authority pero si San Pedro lamang ang may hawak ng susi—ibig sabihin siya lang ang may kapangyarihang mag BIND sa nai-LOOSE ng mga Apostol; at mag LOOSE sa nai-BIND ng mga Apostol. Sa madaling salita ang Authority ni San Pedro ay mas makapangyarihan kaysa sa mga Apostol.

Tanong ni Brad Henry “bakit masyado ninyong itinatangi si pedro?” Itinatangi namin si San Pedro sapagkat ang siya ang may pinakamakapangyarihang authority (na bigay ni Cristo) kaysa sa mga Apostol. Narito ang mga Ibidensya:

Mat. 16:18-19. Si San Pedro lang ang may susi sa lahat ng mga Apostol. Siya ay may kapangyarihang mag BIND sa nai-LOOSE ng mga Apostol; at mag LOOSE sa nai-BIND ng mga Apostol.

John 21:15-17 “So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. {21:16} He saith to him again the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. {21:17} He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. {21:18} Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not. {21:19} This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.” –Si San Pedro ang itinalaga bilang pastol sa mga pastol at karnero; Obispo sa mga Obispo at kawan; tagabantay sa mga taga bantay at kawan at nag silbing leader (chief) sa mga leaders at members ng Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo.

Luke 22:31-32 “And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat: {22:32} But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” – Si San Pedro ang itinalaga ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo para mag sibling tagapag patatag (strengthen) sa lahat ng mga Apostol.

PETER (Gr. Petros, rock) the most prominent of the 12 apostles in the Gospels and an outstanding leader in the early Christian church. NIV Compact Dictionary of the Bible Page 448

PETER, St (d. 64-67), chief of the 12 Apostles, brother of St. Andrew. He was originally called Simon but Jesus gave him the Aramaic name “KEPHA”, meaning rock, translated into Greek as “Petros”. The New Webster Dictionary of the English Language (International Edition)- Page 751

Sa nasambit po natin sa itaas napatunayan po natin na ang mga Apostol ay may kahalili sa kanilang Authority, at ito ay ang mga Obispo.

Napatunayan rin natin na si San Pedro ang may mas pinaka mataas na Authority na bigay ng Diyos.

Ang lahat ng katanungan at accusation na itinira ni brad Henry sa Santa Iglesia Catolica ay nasagot po lahat.

Coming soon: Reply from Henry Arganda (Member PMCC 4thwatch) #2

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